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    Default Chariot tactics

    Here's an analysis of how to best use Chariots in RSII... primarily it concerns the Celtic light chariots though generally it appllies to the other chariots as well.


    Stats wise:

    the good : 4 HP, high armour, high damage javelin with a much larger ammo than other javelin units. pretty fast moving.

    the bad : small # of men per unit.


    Special attributes :

    The good : demoralize all infantries just by being around, abosalutely massacer cavalries in open field frontal attacks.

    The bad : abosalutely useless in woods, even slingers and such will butcher them in such situation. to make matters worse they also have a hard time getting out of woods in messy situations. in another word, if they're caught in a bad melee in the woods they're as good as gone.


    General Tactics suggestions:

    1. bait arrows: with thier combination of 4HP + high armor + fast moving and natually spread out, they're one of the best units to draw arrow fires with. slingers and javelins could still be quite threatening though, but arrows are really quite useless against them.

    2. demoralizer : it is highly unadvised to charge into infantries with chariots unless it's of the peltast / slinger / archer variety. (and must not be in woods). they simply don't have much impact and while they're toughter to kill than cavalires they get entagled much more easily and obviously have less men to take casualties from. The best approach vs line infantries is to run around their back and just shoot javelins into them. only charge if they're wavering. if the melee is still not completely developed keeping them behind your own infantry helps too.

    3. Cavalry slayer : the chariot's ramming attack for some reason abosalutely pwn cavalires, if you run a light chariot vs the best cataprhact avalible in completely open terrain and the chariot's still likely going to win quite convincingly. This can be tricky though. since if they get entagled and don't do their special attack then cavalries will beat them. so you need to make sure you find the perfect spot to do this. though obviously if successful this manuver can be very rewarding and can even swing a battle by itself. (especially try to catch their generals with chariots)


    In battles, deploy them on your flank is obvious, always keep in mind of their massive suck in woods and try to keep them around the open terrain as much as possible.

    My favorite deployment style is to generally keep them in front of my other cavalries, this way they can help protect my cavalries from both arrows and other cavalries, both situation they are very good against. in battle your general objective is to seek and intercept opposing cavalries.


    They are basically useless in siege though, basically all their good for is the demoralising aspect.

    In the end, they're a great tool but with extreme limitations, when properly utilized they fill a really big nitch, but it doesn't take much for them to be totally useless.
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    Default Re: Chariot tactics

    So they're basically cheaper elephant alternatives with more limitations. Pretty much sums it up more or less.
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    Default Re: Chariot tactics

    God I hate fighting Pontic or Seleucid chariots as Parthia, they are no fair on mah horsies.

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    Default Re: Chariot tactics

    This is the sort of threat that I like to see. Very useful for the novices.

    They annoy us Romans somewhat. However, I find it mildly amusing when they die and that wheel keeps rolling for a few feet before falling over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferdiad View Post
    God I hate fighting Pontic or Seleucid chariots as Parthia, they are no fair on mah horsies.
    It's not exactly a joy to fight Parthian HAs either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollingWave View Post
    3. Cavalry slayer : the chariot's ramming attack for some reason abosalutely pwn cavalires
    That is because of it's mass, which-similiarly to elephants'- knocks down enemy units, non-lethaly when it comes to infantry. Usually, infantry will just stand up and continue their fight. However, because cavalry units don't have a "stand up" animations and can not be knocked down without being killed, the elephants and chariots are much more lethal against them.


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    Default Re: Chariot tactics

    What about mah Tanks?Are they fun to fight against?

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    Can be at times, my tank destroyers (Syrian, Scythian archers) and my own tanks do a fine job keeping loses down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by intel View Post
    That is because of it's mass, which-similiarly to elephants'- knocks down enemy units, non-lethaly when it comes to infantry. Usually, infantry will just stand up and continue their fight. However, because cavalry units don't have a "stand up" animations and can not be knocked down without being killed, the elephants and chariots are much more lethal against them.
    Yeah I realize the mechanics, though it's still a bit silly, also they use to knock down infantry a lot more effectively in vanilla (which can be exploited VIA a combined horse + chariot charge). but in RS they usually just get stuck against any sort of line infantry.

    Quote Originally Posted by NightEye View Post
    So they're basically cheaper elephant alternatives with more limitations. Pretty much sums it up more or less.
    Well, in RSII they won't run amok, which is a big + compare to elephants, you can't risk baiting arrow with elephants despite the odds of arrows killing elephant being really low.

    Also, Elephants can ram strait through most line infantries while Chariots can't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightEye View Post
    Can be at times, my tank destroyers (Syrian, Scythian archers) and my own tanks do a fine job keeping loses down.
    Now see here, my tanks do brave(but stupid) headlong charges into massed phalanxes and sometimes they actually win!!This happened last night I routed their left completely(SE) with all 7 of my Tanks including general.Then I just did a HA/TANK sandwich of their Phalanxes.

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    Default Re: Chariot tactics

    Right, I forgot they don't run amok in this mod. I stand corrected. So they're cheaper elephant alternatives with limitations but with some strengths.
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    Default Re: Chariot tactics

    I still prefer elephants...but the one thing elephants CANT run through is the front of the pike phalanx.....obviously

    i stay away from using chariots, as i dont know how to use them very well. I prefer just using regular cavalry or elephants....mostly elephants....i enjoy elephants
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    I think I'll try using them more actively in the northern front of my Seleucid campaign. Anything that's arrow-proof and kills horses is worth trying up there.
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    Default Re: Chariot tactics

    Ive given up trying to outfight the Parthians in my Sele campaigns. Turned to the tactic of spam cheap saka HAs, slingers, foot archers, and a couple elite cav to clean up after everythings been shot to hell
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    then how do u fight the chariots? Obviously not with the cavalry, the skirmishers may be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayanami030 View Post
    then how do u fight the chariots? Obviously not with the cavalry, the skirmishers may be?
    Generally, as long as your not charging strait into them with cavalries in the open you should be fine, they're worthless in melee against any sort of melee infantry (even crappy onces like spear warband or something). and in forest even skrmisher infantries will slaughter them (and cavalires too, though it's a bit riskier).

    Their strength / weakness is fairly obvious so basically just avoid their strength , as they won't be able to dish massive damage with just their javelins so just avoid them with your cavalries and try to keep at least one unit of melee infantry to protect your range units from their charge. obviously, keep the fighting in woods / rugged terrain also helps. especially woods.

    And obviously shooting them with arrows is pretty futile so avoid that, slingers / javelin work ok though generally not exactly the most cost effective way to use them either.
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    Default Re: Chariot tactics

    mass infantry on them, it stops them moving.

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    Default Re: Chariot tactics

    Well trained infantry takes care of them no?

    Now armoured elephants that's the problem!

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    Default Re: Chariot tactics

    Quote Originally Posted by Perdiccas_Nile View Post
    Well trained infantry takes care of them no?

    Now armoured elephants that's the problem!
    Much less of a problem than Seleucid Scythed Chariots, believe me


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    Fire arrows, foot and/or cav skirmishers. Elephants are easy to beat with the right tools.
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