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    German PC Games: 87 %

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    + credible and very authentic game world that captures perfectly the 16th century Japan.
    + Impressive Opulent battles
    + Huge tactical depth in the fighting
    + The new Special Forces provide variety on the creative process and allow Campaign Map
    + Increase RPG elements such as the talent tree for the generals gameplay.
    + fun for months thanks to co-op, and Versus Avatar - mode
    + The new castle battles before thanks to a variety of tactical options a lot of fun.
    + the so-called dilemmas force them repeatedly on important decisions

    Weaknesses:

    - The control, especially the placement of units being not good, on some maps
    - The AI is not on the Campaign mapstill perfect on the battle field and is always stupid mistakes
    - difficult to start by looking Economy, this can sometimes break down completely
    - slight panic when system needs improvement: Soldiers flee quickly.
    Naval combat games, chaotic and playful little relevance

    You can do this then weaken the strengths and AI listed (one page long) I will not quote too.
    For the PC-Games test in brief (more or less):

    1. I am a subscriber and I have to get so early as Saturday (hope the Filusi Star Game already has)

    2. The PC games have been testing an "advanced" Steam version was not optimized (before Gold Version)

    3. Shogun is probably technically green (during the whole test, it was probably only 1 crash in about 40h time)

    4. The sea-land battles you have deleted

    5. The MP is intersannt right:
    5.1 It is your coop mode where for example beats up the battles, together (that is a part of the troops out of the miners)
    5.2 It is a campaign mode where 2 VS 2 against each other can play on the campaign map
    5.3 How the New clan mode MP

    6. The economy a much less forgiving error as the testers have lost the campaign because they have too little attention to the "diet" of your empire. So the techniques researched and the farms have expanded enough, and your people could just eat like that, but then decreased as another province of the enemy broke the construct completely together because the food no longer sufficient for all. What then in turn led to a huge revolt, and is related to the attacks of the other clans eventually led to the defeat.

    7. Diplomacy would work better and help the AI is also a defense and troops to send, etc.


    "Even the feature to mix land and sea battles, disappeared quietly from the scene."

    That was what you wrote to the land-sea battles.

    and if I am already at the Touch nor the opinion of Robert Horn (also PC Games page 11/03 page 89 extra box):

    "Tough strategy that will challenge you"

    We can blame much Shogun 2: The artificial intelligence has its quirks, the battles are boring, try the micro management, control zickt here and there and the graphics are great, but so would some computers get the pain threshold.
    However, I have lost myself again hopelessly in this world: poor relief, siege castles, run diplomacy, commanding ninjas and trade maintained. There is so much to do in this game, noted as much, these are minor bugs me almost does not matter.
    The enemy remains in my volley of arrows? good for me! His city is unguarded? Class heard it just me faster! I forgive these things because the developers have delivered a total of incredibly great strategy game that is complex, demanding and uncompromising.
    Only someone who thinks for, wins. Well done!




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    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    Its already the same, but just post it when its official at Monday (i think today its not allowed because the Magazin isn´t out yet.
    Last edited by totalwar-zone; February 26, 2011 at 05:00 AM.
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    Witschaftssystem? Anyone? I'd like to think my German is pretty decent, but I have no idea what this means in the context of the text

    Also, nice scores, good pro's versus reasonably minor, modable or expected cons.

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    Default Re: Second and Third Review Score

    google translate?

    thanks for posting though
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    Default Re: Second and Third Review Score

    I have edit first post. Some misstake, im sorry.
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    Default Re: Second and Third Review Score

    what is "Witschaftssystem"? tech tree?

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    Default Re: Second and Third Review Score

    economy. . Make an edit
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    Quote Originally Posted by totalwar-zone View Post
    economy. . Make an edit
    thanks. i thought witgen, looks a bit like "weten" in dutch.

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    AI... AI... Dumb AI
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    Is he saying that the economy is hard to master?

    Some would not consider this a con.


    Quote Originally Posted by Swagger View Post
    AI... AI... Dumb AI
    You got to be able to put it in perspective a bit. The Total War AI's are relative simple AI's dealing with a relative complex game. 'Stupid mistakes', are probably unavoidable.

    If the AI as a whole is an improvement over N:TW, I'll be happy.

    And besides a campaign AI that 'still isn't perfect' doesn't sound all that bad. I never expected it to be. But if it's only a bit short from being perfect, it's actually quite good.
    Last edited by Maizel; February 19, 2011 at 01:10 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maizel View Post
    Is he saying that the economy is hard to master?

    Some would not consider this a con.
    He mean its not easy at the beginning to understand how it works. Its the Same like empire, very confusing economy, right?
    And it works not perfect, it can sometimes break down completely
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    Quote Originally Posted by totalwar-zone View Post
    He mean its not easy at the beginning to understand how it works. Its the Same like empire, very confusing economy, right?
    And it works not perfect, it can sometimes break down completely
    Ah right.

    Lets hope that's just because the reviewer is a sucky Daimyo, rather than a fault in the game's economy.

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    I agree with Maizel! You cant expect a PERFECT A.I.! The games are too complex yes....
    The best A.I. i've seen in a total war game is in Medieval2:total war + mod Stainless Steel.

    The AI in Napoleon is said to be pretty good so I think Shogun2 will be alright aswell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogergargantua View Post
    I agree with Maizel! You cant expect a PERFECT A.I.! The games are too complex yes....
    The best A.I. i've seen in a total war game is in Medieval2:total war + mod Stainless Steel.

    The AI in Napoleon is said to be pretty good so I think Shogun2 will be alright aswell.
    Roma Surrectum II's AI is pretty damn good as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rogergargantua View Post
    I agree with Maizel! You cant expect a PERFECT A.I.! The games are too complex yes....
    The best A.I. i've seen in a total war game is in Medieval2:total war + mod Stainless Steel.

    The AI in Napoleon is said to be pretty good so I think Shogun2 will be alright aswell.
    I agree with you too as well. However, I do wonder if he might have been playing on a low difficulty (easy or normal) or some such. After all, I feel that I must question his gaming skills. Still, unless the A.I. is too stupid to wipe itself, I'm going to buy this game.



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    More pros than cons and some can be improved vastly with mods. For example, morale and battle lengths.

    I am saddened that the issue with unit movement is still there. In rome units moved so fluidly, in Napoleon, it is a joke. They move so awkwardly.

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    The economy is difficult? Perfect!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greve Af Göteborg View Post
    The economy is difficult? Perfect!
    I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emperor77 View Post
    I agree.
    Same here, I like it to be difficult, not easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greve Af Göteborg View Post
    The economy is difficult? Perfect!

    it will be the first time ever i think, making it wonderful news.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greve Af Göteborg View Post
    The economy is difficult? Perfect!
    Agreed. I desperately want to have to consider economic decisions on every turn and if I make a foolish decision I want to feel some pain.

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