Adding Bulgaria

**hackera96** · February 18, 2011, 12:52 PM

Delete Ottoman Emprie and add Bulgaria 80% from teritory of ottoman empire in the game is Bulgarian in this time period.Bulgarian army has a 800000 soldiers in the end of war.And the most important battles on balkans are bulgarian

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Doiran Bulgaria alone against UK,Greece,France and Serbia and Bulgaria wins

and see this from wikipedia
The Balkans Campaign of World War I was fought between Central Powers Bulgaria, Austria-Hungary and Germany on one side and the Allies Serbia, France, Russia, the United Kingdom, Montenegro (and later Romania and Greece, who sided with the Allied Powers) on the other side.

Although Bulgaria, in alliance with Germany, Austria-Hungary and the Ottomans, won military victories against Serbia and Romania, occupying much of Southern Serbia (taking Skopje in October), advancing into Greek Macedonia, and taking Dobruja from the Romanians

See the macedonian front http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedon...t_(World_War_I)
550 000 bulgarian and 18000 germans and 0 turks

In Romania bulgaria conquer Bucharest romanian capital
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bucharest

ADD BULGARIA
Bulgarian flag

Bulgarian army flag

There are some bulgarian troops from this time

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**The Vengur** · February 18, 2011, 01:04 PM

the ottomans still played a bigger role on the balkan, and the ottoman or austrian roosters will contain some bulgarian units.

oh, and ca$h on that you're

**hackera96** · February 18, 2011, 01:13 PM

yes but on balkans bulgarians played a bigger role the only big battle on balkans with ottomans was battle of galliopoli

**miroobgcom** · February 18, 2011, 01:17 PM

What did the ottomans do ? Did they defeat Serbia and Romania ? Did they push north the Russians ? No !!! They only defeated the British at Gallipoli with their "very smart" general Winston Churchill who ordered his men to charge the turks on the high mountains - a suicide operation indeed. Think about it!

**The Vengur** · February 18, 2011, 01:40 PM

don't forget that the ottomans fought on four fronts, gallipolli, caucasus ,iraq and palestina.

**crossjon** · February 18, 2011, 02:36 PM

Guys, stop requesting this because it's 100% not going to happen.
The team all agree that we should have the ottomans instead of bulgaria.

EDIT: though you're welcome to make a submod with this change.

**B-DizL** · February 18, 2011, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by crossjon

Guys, stop requesting this because it's 100% not going to happen.
The team all agree that we should have the ottomans instead of bulgaria.

EDIT: though you're welcome to make a submod with this change.

Indeed this is the perfect opportunity for a new sub mod

**ioan4o** · February 19, 2011, 04:09 AM

I can't believe it !!! Bulgaria is one of the most important countries in WW1 ! We defeat some of the most experienced english and frensh only by doiran. England is crush'd in this battle... This is one of the greatest victory in history of WW1. Bulgarians are defending whit 1:10 soldiers, and still manage to win under the command of Vladimir Vazov.

"In 1936 in London organized a meeting of veterans of WWI. The Bulgarian delegation is led by specially invited retired General Vladimir Vazov. At Victoria Station flexibility the private London mayor, won the most visokioto English noble title. Gneral Vazov was placed in the castle of Lord Harboli where Napoleon resided.
In the advent of our delegation Field Marshal Lord Milne commands: "Remove the flags! Pass General Vazov - Doiran winner!" Bulgarian victory at Doiran - the largest in our entire 14 centuries of history - is taught in all military academies. She has recorded an amazing statistic: nearly 70 000 killed by the Allies against less than 500 dead Bulgarians. Seven divisions - one completely destroyed."

This is one of ours important for the "central powers" victorys.

This is what i'm gonna say: The Ottomans are doing nothing compare whit the soldiers of 1st Bulgarian Army. Forget "the 3 fronts of the Ottomans", they are battling whit arabs and others, not whit the most elite soldiers in the world. We are battling whit Serbia, Greece and all of their allies!

I'm really sad, that you don't understand this...

Bye from me...!

**The Vengur** · February 19, 2011, 07:12 AM

Originally Posted by ioan4o

I can't believe it !!! Bulgaria is one of the most important countries in WW1 ! We defeat some of the most experienced english and frensh only by doiran. England is crush'd in this battle... This is one of the greatest victory in history of WW1. Bulgarians are defending whit 1:10 soldiers, and still manage to win under the command of Vladimir Vazov.

we are not denying that the Bulgarians played a major role in the great war, but however there is no direct region to place them in, a battle faction might be possible but putting them in Istanbul is as impossible as placing the French in Alsace-Loraine

"In 1936 in London organized a meeting of veterans of WWI. The Bulgarian delegation is led by specially invited retired General Vladimir Vazov. At Victoria Station flexibility the private London mayor, won the most visokioto English noble title. Gneral Vazov was placed in the castle of Lord Harboli where Napoleon resided.
In the advent of our delegation Field Marshal Lord Milne commands: "Remove the flags! Pass General Vazov - Doiran winner!" Bulgarian victory at Doiran - the largest in our entire 14 centuries of history - is taught in all military academies. She has recorded an amazing statistic: nearly 70 000 killed by the Allies against less than 500 dead Bulgarians. Seven divisions - one completely destroyed."

This is one of ours important for the "central powers" victorys.

This is what i'm gonna say: The Ottomans are doing nothing compare whit the soldiers of 1st Bulgarian Army. Forget "the 3 fronts of the Ottomans", they are battling whit arabs and others, not whit the most elite soldiers in the world. We are battling whit Serbia, Greece and all of their allies!

in modern israel, the turks fought rebels led, eqipped and supported by lawrence of arabia and a large brittish force, in iraq 92000 turks held back 112000 brittish soldiers for four years, in caucasia they fought a major russian force and in gallipolli they held back half a million commonwealth soldiers.

I'm really sad, that you don't understand this...

Bye from me...!

**Admiral Van Tromp** · February 19, 2011, 07:17 AM

People, they said 100 times, that Ottomans would get Bulgarian units and that they'd be a custom battle faction. And, as already stated, TGW has a great potential for submods, if you want, create one which transforms Ottomans into Bulgaria, it's not very hard.

**.Mitch.** · February 19, 2011, 08:59 AM

Are you Bulgarian ?

I'd be willing to bet my hat you are.

**Piledriver2311** · February 19, 2011, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by .Mitch.

Are you Bulgarian ?

I'd be willing to bet my hat you are.

what kind of hat?

**The Vengur** · February 19, 2011, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by .Mitch.

Are you Bulgarian ?

I'd be willing to bet my hat you are.

heyy, i did that i the second post

**Aanker** · February 19, 2011, 01:15 PM

The problem is, at least in my opinion, that it is far better to have the capital city ownage correct, than the territorial extent wrong. Istanbul in Bulgarian hands would be more wrong than having Bulgarian lands under Ottoman control.

**B-DizL** · February 19, 2011, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Aanker

The problem is, at least in my opinion, that it is far better to have the capital city ownage correct, than the territorial extent wrong. Istanbul in Bulgarian hands would be more wrong than having Bulgarian lands under Ottoman control.

Exactly, theres really no arguing this point...

BTW those Bulgarian troops are really pretty awesome, i like the uniforms alot

**hackera96** · February 19, 2011, 04:35 PM

short video about battle of doiran http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDIJszfnbTo 330 000 invaders vs 35 000 Bulgarians

**a tw player** · February 19, 2011, 05:01 PM

Look, everyone has nationalistic feelings and may want to have their country included; but you've got to look at this from a completely unbiased viewpoint. Without going into the technicalities of who did more for the war effort etc. there are 2 main things which mean the Ottoman Empire is included:

1) It would look ridiculous to have Bulgaria in control of Istanbul.

2) The Ottoman Empire is seen by the majority to be a "major" faction, whilst Bulgaria is not.

I really don't see what the point is in continuing this; and it will only stir up more biased national feelings - For this I think it should be closed.

**Wallachian** · February 19, 2011, 09:46 PM

That's a really valid point about the capital ownership. But due to the map restrictions we can only look at the European theatre of the Great War. Looking at all the theatres, yes the Ottomans are indeed a major, but the way i see it their man war effort went towards the Caucasian front and Palestine. In the European theatre i would say that the Bulgarians had more of an impact with the fighting on the Romanian and Macedonian fronts. Either way we go about it, due to CAs attitude towards modding, we are going to lose an interesting faction.