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    I was horrified by reading a report about female infanticide and sex selective abortions in India. I did some more search and found that it is not Muslim, Christian or Sikh, but a Hindu woman who is most oppressed entity in India. Here are some facts and figures;

    1: Sexual Harassment;

    Police records show high incidence of crimes against women in India. The National Crime Records Bureau reported in 1998 that the growth rate of crimes against women would be higher than the population growth rate by 2010.[24] Earlier, many cases were not registered with the police due to the social stigma attached to rape and molestation cases. Official statistics show that there has been a dramatic increase in the number of reported crimes against women.[24]
    2: Dowry;

    In 1961, the Government of India passed the Dowry Prohibition Act,[46] making the dowry demands in wedding arrangements illegal. However, many cases of dowry-related domestic violence, suicides and murders have been reported. In the 1980s, numerous such cases were reported.[39]
    In 1985, the Dowry Prohibition (maintenance of lists of presents to the bride and bridegroom) rules were framed.[47] According to these rules, a signed list of presents given at the time of the marriage to the bride and the bridegroom should be maintained. The list should contain a brief description of each present, its approximate value, the name of whoever has given the present and his/her relationship to the person. However, such rules are hardly enforced.
    A 1997 report[48] claimed that at least 5,000 women die each year because of dowry deaths, and at least a dozen die each day in 'kitchen fires' thought to be intentional. The term for this is "bride burning" and is criticized within India itself. Amongst the urban educated, such dowry abuse has reduced considerably.
    3: Child Marriage;

    Child marriage has been traditionally prevalent in India and continues to this day. Historically, young girls would live with their parents till they reached puberty. In the past, the child widows were condemned to a life of great agony, shaving heads, living in isolation, and shunned by the society.[22] Although child marriage was outlawed in 1860, it is still a common practice.[49]
    According to UNICEF’s “State of the World’s Children-2009” report, 47% of India's women aged 20–24 were married before the legal age of 18, with 56% in rural areas.[50] The report also showed that 40% of the world's child marriages occur in India.[51]
    4: Domestic Violence;

    The incidents of domestic violence are higher among the lower Socio-Economic Classes (SECs).[citation needed] The Protection of Women from Domestic Violence Act, 2005 came into force on October 26, 2006.
    5: Trafficking;

    The Immoral Traffic (Prevention) Act was passed in 1956.[52] However many cases of trafficking of young girls and women have been reported. These women are either forced into prostitution, domestic work or child labour.
    But what really horrified me was this;

    6: Female Infanticides and Sex Selective Abortions;

    India has a highly masculine sex ratio, the chief reason being that many women die before reaching adulthood.[24] Tribal societies in India have a less masculine sex ratio than all other caste groups. This, in spite of the fact that tribal communities have far lower levels of income, literacy and health facilities.[24] It is therefore suggested by many experts, that the highly masculine sex ratio in India can be attributed to female infanticides and sex-selective abortions.
    All medical tests that can be used to determine the sex of the child have been banned in India, due to incidents of these tests being used to get rid of unwanted female children before birth. Female infanticide (killing of girl infants) is still prevalent in some rural areas.[24] The abuse of the dowry tradition has been one of the main reasons for sex-selective abortions and female infanticides in India.
    This was the Report which horrified me. India and China were focused for their abnormal ratio of female infanticides.

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    Summary The phenomenon of female infanticide is as old as many cultures, and has likely accounted for millions of gender-selective deaths throughout history. It remains a critical concern in a number of "Third World" countries today, notably the two most populous countries on earth, China and India. In all cases, specifically female infanticide reflects the low status accorded to women in most parts of the world; it is arguably the most brutal and destructive manifestation of the anti-female bias that pervades "patriarchal" societies. It is closely linked to the phenomena of sex-selective abortion, which targets female fetuses almost exclusively, and neglect of girl children.
    The background
    "Female infanticide is the intentional killing of baby girls due to the preference for male babies and from the low value associated with the birth of females." (Marina Porras, "Female Infanticide and Foeticide".) It should be seen as a subset of the broader phenomenon of infanticide, which has also targeted the physically or mentally handicapped, and infant males (alongside infant females or, occasionally, on a gender-selective basis). As with maternal mortality, some would dispute the assigning of infanticide or female infanticide to the category of "genocide" or, as here, "gendercide." Nonetheless, the argument advanced in the maternal mortality case-study holds true in this case as well: governments and other actors can be just as guilty of mass killing by neglect or tacit encouragement, as by direct murder. R.J. Rummel buttresses this view, referring to infanticide as
    another type of government killing whose victims may total millions ... In many cultures, government permitted, if not encouraged, the killing of handicapped or female infants or otherwise unwanted children. In the Greece of 200 B.C., for example, the murder of female infants was so common that among 6,000 families living in Delphi no more than 1 percent had two daughters. Among 79 families, nearly as many had one child as two. Among all there were only 28 daughters to 118 sons. ... But classical Greece was not unusual. In eighty-four societies spanning the Renaissance to our time, "defective" children have been killed in one-third of them. In India, for example, because of Hindu beliefs and the rigid caste system, young girls were murdered as a matter of course. When demographic statistics were first collected in the nineteenth century, it was discovered that in "some villages, no girl babies were found at all; in a total of thirty others, there were 343 boys to 54 girls. ... [I]n Bombay, the number of girls alive in 1834 was 603."
    Rummel adds: "Instances of infanticide ... are usually singular events; they do not happen en masse. But the accumulation of such officially sanctioned or demanded murders comprises, in effect, serial massacre. Since such practices were so pervasive in some cultures, I suspect that the death toll from infanticide must exceed that from mass sacrifice and perhaps even outright mass murder." (Rummel, Death by Government, pp. 65-66.)
    Focus (1): India
    As John-Thor Dahlburg points out, "in rural India, the centuries-old practice of female infanticide can still be considered a wise course of action." (Dahlburg, "Where killing baby girls 'is no big sin'," The Los Angeles Times [in The Toronto Star, February 28, 1994.]) According to census statistics, "From 972 females for every 1,000 males in 1901 ... the gender imbalance has tilted to 929 females per 1,000 males. ... In the nearly 300 poor hamlets of the Usilampatti area of Tamil Nadu [state], as many as 196 girls died under suspicious circumstances [in 1993] ... Some were fed dry, unhulled rice that punctured their windpipes, or were made to swallow poisonous powdered fertilizer. Others were smothered with a wet towel, strangled or allowed to starve to death." Dahlburg profiles one disturbing case from Tamil Nadu:
    Lakshmi already had one daughter, so when she gave birth to a second girl, she killed her. For the three days of her second child's short life, Lakshmi admits, she refused to nurse her. To silence the infant's famished cries, the impoverished village woman squeezed the milky sap from an oleander shrub, mixed it with castor oil, and forced the poisonous potion down the newborn's throat. The baby bled from the nose, then died soon afterward. Female neighbors buried her in a small hole near Lakshmi's square thatched hut of sunbaked mud. They sympathized with Lakshmi, and in the same circumstances, some would probably have done what she did. For despite the risk of execution by hanging and about 16 months of a much-ballyhooed government scheme to assist families with daughters, in some hamlets of ... Tamil Nadu, murdering girls is still sometimes believed to be a wiser course than raising them. "A daughter is always liabilities. How can I bring up a second?" Lakshmi, 28, answered firmly when asked by a visitor how she could have taken her own child's life eight years ago. "Instead of her suffering the way I do, I thought it was better to get rid of her." (All quotes from Dahlburg, "Where killing baby girls 'is no big sin'.")
    A study of Tamil Nadu by the Community Service Guild of Madras similarly found that "female infanticide is rampant" in the state, though only among Hindu (rather than Moslem or Christian) families. "Of the 1,250 families covered by the study, 740 had only one girl child and 249 agreed directly that they had done away with the unwanted girl child. More than 213 of the families had more than one male child whereas half the respondents had only one daughter." (Malavika Karlekar, "The girl child in India: does she have any rights?," Canadian Woman Studies, March 1995.)
    The bias against females in India is related to the fact that "Sons are called upon to provide the income; they are the ones who do most of the work in the fields. In this way sons are looked to as a type of insurance. With this perspective, it becomes clearer that the high value given to males decreases the value given to females." (Marina Porras, "Female Infanticide and Foeticide".) The problem is also intimately tied to the institution of dowry, in which the family of a prospective bride must pay enormous sums of money to the family in which the woman will live after marriage. Though formally outlawed, the institution is still pervasive. "The combination of dowry and wedding expenses usually add up to more than a million rupees ([US] $35,000). In India the average civil servant earns about 100,000 rupees ($3,500) a year. Given these figures combined with the low status of women, it seems not so illogical that the poorer Indian families would want only male children." (Porras, "Female Infanticide and Foeticide".) Murders of women whose families are deemed to have paid insufficient dowry have become increasingly common, and receive separate case-study treatment on this site.
    India is also the heartland of sex-selective abortion. Amniocentesis was introduced in 1974 "to ascertain birth defects in a sample population," but "was quickly appropriated by medical entrepreneurs. A spate of sex-selective abortions followed." (Karlekar, "The girl child in India.") Karlekar points out that "those women who undergo sex determination tests and abort on knowing that the foetus is female are actively taking a decision against equality and the right to life for girls. In many cases, of course, the women are not independent agents but merely victims of a dominant family ideology based on preference for male children."
    Dahlburg notes that "In Jaipur, capital of the western state of Rajasthan, prenatal sex determination tests result in an estimated 3,500 abortions of female fetuses annually," according to a medical-college study. (Dahlburg, "Where killing baby girls 'is no big sin'.")et al., "Causes and Implications of the Recent Increase in the Reported Sex Ratio at Birth in China," Population and Development Review, 19: 2 [June 1993], p. 297.) Most strikingly, according to UNICEF, "A report from Bombay in 1984 on abortions after prenatal sex determination stated that 7,999 out of 8,000 of the aborted fetuses were females. Sex determination has become a lucrative business." (Zeng Yi
    Deficits in nutrition and health-care also overwhelmingly target female children. Karlekar cites research
    indicat[ing] a definite bias in feeding boys milk and milk products and eggs ... In Rajasthan and Uttar Pradesh [states], it is usual for girls and women to eat less than men and boys and to have their meal after the men and boys had finished eating. Greater mobility outside the home provides boys with the opportunity to eat sweets and fruit from saved-up pocket money or from money given to buy articles for food consumption. In case of illness, it is usually boys who have preference in health care. ... More is spent on clothing for boys than for girls[,] which also affects morbidity. (Karlekar, "The girl child in India.")
    Sunita Kishor reports "another disturbing finding," namely "that, despite the increased ability to command essential food and medical resources associated with development, female children [in India] do not improve their survival chances relative to male children with gains in development. Relatively high levels of agricultural development decrease the life chances of females while leaving males' life chances unaffected; urbanization increases the life chances of males more than females. ... Clearly, gender-based discrimination in the allocation of resources persists and even increases, even when availability of resources is not a constraint." (Kishor, "'May God Give Sons to All': Gender and Child Mortality in India," American Sociological Review, 58: 2 [April 1993], p. 262.)
    Indian state governments have sometimes taken measures to diminish the slaughter of infant girls and abortions of female fetuses. "The leaders of Tamil Nadu are holding out a tempting carrot to couples in the state with one or two daughters and no sons: if one parent undergoes sterilization, the government will give the family [U.S.] \\$160 in aid per child. The money will be paid in instalments as the girl goes through school. She will also get a small gold ring and on her 20th birthday, a lump sum of $650 to serve as her dowry or defray the expenses of higher education. Four thousand families enrolled in the first year," with 6,000 to 8,000 expected to join annually (as of 1994) (Dahlburg, "Where killing baby girls 'is no big sin'.") Such programs have, however, barely begun to address the scale of the catastrophe.


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    Do you care because you care about the rights of women, or because you hate India? Crimes against women and gender discrimination are serious problems across the Indian subcontinent, including Pakistan, so why avoid this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    Do you care because you care about the rights of women, or because you hate India? Crimes against women and gender discrimination are serious problems across the Indian subcontinent, including Pakistan, so why avoid this?
    Smartest thing you've ever said. This was my first thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    Do you care because you care about the rights of women, or because you hate India? Crimes against women and gender discrimination are serious problems across the Indian subcontinent, including Pakistan, so why avoid this?
    No brainer here what his agenda is and probably a little bit of the Logan to boot.

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    Arabia, middle east, north africa, PAKISTAN, Iran, India and quite a few other places have horrendous records of abuse of women, female rights and female freedom. There isn't anything particularly new here though I would guess out of all of them India is making the most progress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    Do you care because you care about the rights of women, or because you hate India? Crimes against women and gender discrimination are serious problems across the Indian subcontinent, including Pakistan, so why avoid this?
    Quote Originally Posted by Denny Crane! View Post
    Arabia, middle east, north africa, PAKISTAN, Iran, India and quite a few other places have horrendous records of abuse of women, female rights and female freedom. There isn't anything particularly new here though I would guess out of all of them India is making the most progress.
    I never denied that women rights situtation is not good in Pakistan. Female infanticide is but a problem which is not found on this horrifying level in any other country but China and India.
    "I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today." 'The Genuine Islam,' Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936.Sir George Bernard Shaw

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poet View Post
    I never denied that women rights situtation is not good in Pakistan. Female infanticide is but a problem which is not found on this horrifying level in any other country but China and India.
    Okay, well, let's see. Please source your data on Pakistani, Indian and Chinese female infanticide?

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    Yeah but you don't care about that you just want to attack India. Put your own house in order first. I'll not be discussing this with someone who has a fanatical hatred of India.
    Very well then go and discussTaliban issue with someone having fanatical hate with Pakistan because it is all right.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    Okay, well, let's see. Please source your data on Pakistani, Indian and Chinese female infanticide?
    Why don't you give me figures about Pakistan's female infanticide and if you have interest, click the word "Report" in color red and you may read statistics about China. Bring frigures about Pakistan, Arab countries, North Korea, Iran or Galaxy here and we would compare.
    "I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today." 'The Genuine Islam,' Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936.Sir George Bernard Shaw

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poet View Post
    Why don't you give me figures about Pakistan's female infanticide and if you have interest
    Wait, are you saying you have no interest in how many babies are murdered for being born female in your country?

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    Okay, well, let's see. Please source your data on Pakistani, Indian and Chinese female infanticide?
    China as well as India being the worst out of my blank head.

    Anyone can knock itself out here: http://www.indiastat.com/crimeandlaw...039/stats.aspx

    http://censusindia.gov.in/Census_Dat...ance/fsex.aspx

    Short article
    http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0209/p11s01-wosc.html

    Pakistan is not one of the worst.
    In 2005, six Asian countries reported a severe sex-ratio imbalance, with levels for children
    above 108: India, South Korea, Georgia, Azerbaijan, China and Armenia. Detailed figures for
    China and India show that the child sex ratio in these countries has long been above normal
    values, as seen in the data from the 1950s and 1960s. But in addition to this legacy, the
    situation worsened in these countries from the early 1980s onwards. This was the case
    especially for Azerbaijan and China, where, by 1990, the sex ratio among children had already
    reached the record value of 110. Along with China, several Caucasian countries had a child
    sex ratio above 115 in 2005, while countries outside of Asia usually record values of 101-105.
    Since the sex ratio has remained generally stable in Asia, the growing contribution of the
    http://www.unfpa.org/gender/docs/stu...l_analysis.pdf
    In India a government policy is trying to turn this around:

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/c...ow/5655592.cms

    It's basically a middle class problem, the availability of medical technologies spreading around rural places, a growing middle class wanting to have one/two children, but still a boy as first born. In India those districts where the green revolution set off are the worst. It's spreading because of the economic boom and its a multimillion industry.

    China: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english201...c_13236130.htm More: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5953508/ns/world_news/

    Pakistan is basically too undeveloped, and there's the religious taboo against abortion.

    I am sure it happens there too, but on a smaller scale and only in the cities. In rural areas you keep on getting children until there's a son, sometimes getting 6 daughters first. Or ten. Hence Pakistan's very high birthrate, one of the highest.

    Hair transplants are quite popular though, specially in Peshawar. Pashtun men get bold at an early age.

    All statistics are skewed, since much of it is politics, governments not being very honest about it either.

    Have fun nitpicking. I'll stay out of this.
    Originally Posted by cottontail
    People, no matter who started this thread, or even the agenda, the actual content does have some validity in it. India does have some serious problems in its treatment of women. I will be the first to admit that. It is evident enough in the large difference between the literacy rates of women ( somewhere around 50-60%) and men ( over 70% I believe). This, I believe, is the root of the problem. Once the literacy rates of women approach those of men, I think the abuses will go down, as the women will know enough not to tolerate this sort of behavior.
    Edit: The root of the problem is money, the dowry system, inheritance laws of trying to maintain the agricultural land within the family and the economical value of women. Untill women in the West became economical more valuable there position was bad as well compared to males. It's economy as always.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordred View Post
    It's basically a middle class problem, the availability of medical technologies spreading around rural places, a growing middle class wanting to have one/two children, but still a boy as first born. In India those districts where the green revolution set off are the worst. It's spreading because of the economic boom and its a multimillion industry.

    Pakistan is basically too undeveloped, and there's the religious taboo against abortion.

    I am sure it happens there too, but on a smaller scale and only in the cities. In rural areas you keep on getting children until there's a son, sometimes getting 6 daughters first. Or ten. Hence Pakistan's very high birthrate, one of the highest.

    Hair transplants are quite popular though, specially in Peshawar. Pashtun men get bold at an early age.

    All statistics are skewed, since much of it is politics, governments not being very honest about it either.

    Have fun nitpicking.

    Indeed, it is a large problem with the growing middle class, and perhaps I should have been more specific when I was talking about education. India needs to focus on trying to eradicate the foolish belief of male superiority at the same time as improving literacy rates. Reading is a great first step, but these silly beliefs also need to be done away with as well. Of course, these beliefs may just die away as education spreads further, but it might be too late for thousands by then.


    It has been a while since I've lived in India, and I'm not sure about its condition now. But overall, I believe it's improving. For the better.
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    India has it's problems. I don't think anyone denies that. But this problem is just as widespread in the region.

    Just another attempt to bash, for the alck of a better word, India I see.

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    And you have continued to either downplay or deflect any attempt to hold your own country to account for it's flaws.
    As usual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poet View Post
    I never denied that women rights situtation is not good in Pakistan. Female infanticide is but a problem which is not found on this horrifying level in any other country but China and India.
    Yeah but you don't care about that you just want to attack India. Put your own house in order first. I'll not be discussing this with someone who has a fanatical hatred of India.

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    And you think that you can wash and forget the crimes done by Pakistanis against Pakistanis women?

    You're fool if you believe that people will follow into your India bashing just to satisfy your hate.

    Look for your country problems first, then you can teach lessons to Indians or otherwise your rants smell of hypocrisy.

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    People, no matter who started this thread, or even the agenda, the actual content does have some validity in it. India does have some serious problems in its treatment of women. I will be the first to admit that. It is evident enough in the large difference between the literacy rates of women ( somewhere around 50-60%) and men ( over 70% I believe). This, I believe, is the root of the problem. Once the literacy rates of women approach those of men, I think the abuses will go down, as the women will know enough not to tolerate this sort of behavior.

    India needs to focus more attention on the education of the population in the rural parts of India, men and women, as it is in these areas that the main problems occur. These areas also have the lowest literacy rates, and there is certainly a correlation between the two.

    There has certainly been progress. There are plenty of women in powerful posts in India. However, there will always be problems until the education levels in India at least match the global average. And there needs to be more emphasis in the education of the population the live in the rural villages in India, or there will always be too many horror stories like these to be comfortable with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Principe Alessandro View Post
    And you think that you can wash and forget the crimes done by Pakistanis against Pakistanis women?

    You're fool if you believe that people will follow into your India bashing just to satisfy your hate.

    Look for your country problems first, then you can teach lessons to Indians or otherwise your rants smell of hypocrisy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cottontail View Post
    People, no matter who started this thread, or even the agenda, the actual content does have some validity in it. India does have some serious problems in its treatment of women. I will be the first to admit that. It is evident enough in the large difference between the literacy rates of women ( somewhere around 50-60%) and men ( over 70% I believe). This, I believe, is the root of the problem. Once the literacy rates of women approach those of men, I think the abuses will go down, as the women will know enough not to tolerate this sort of behavior.

    India needs to focus more attention on the education of the population in the rural parts of India, men and women, as it is in these areas that the main problems occur. These areas also have the lowest literacy rates, and there is certainly a correlation between the two.

    There has certainly been progress. There are plenty of women in powerful posts in India. However, there will always be problems until the education levels in India at least match the global average. And there needs to be more emphasis in the education of the population the live in the rural villages in India, or there will always be too many horror stories like these to be comfortable with.
    + rep First sensible post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mordred View Post
    China as well as India being the worst out of my blank head.

    Anyone can knock itself out here: http://www.indiastat.com/crimeandlaw...039/stats.aspx

    http://censusindia.gov.in/Census_Dat...ance/fsex.aspx

    Short article
    http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0209/p11s01-wosc.html

    Pakistan is not one of the worst.


    In India a government policy is trying to turn this around:

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/c...ow/5655592.cms

    It's basically a middle class problem, the availability of medical technologies spreading around rural places, a growing middle class wanting to have one/two children, but still a boy as first born. In India those districts where the green revolution set off are the worst. It's spreading because of the economic boom and its a multimillion industry.

    Pakistan is basically too undeveloped, and there's the religious taboo against abortion.

    I am sure it happens there too, but on a smaller scale and only in the cities. In rural areas you keep on getting children until there's a son, sometimes getting 6 daughters first. Or ten. Hence Pakistan's very high birthrate, one of the highest.

    Hair transplants are quite popular though, specially in Peshawar. Pashtun men get bold at an early age.

    All statistics are skewed, since much of it is politics, governments not being very honest about it either.

    Have fun nitpicking.
    Interesting facts and figures.
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    Poet, we can criticise your arguments. If you have a problem with that, it is you who should not be posting, not us.

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    As this doesn't deal with a specific event, this would be better off in the Academy.

    Moved.

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    Poet, if somebody else waged a hate campaign against a country on TWC, it doesn't mean you can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    Poet, if somebody else waged a hate campaign against a country on TWC, it doesn't mean you can.
    You said you can criticize my arguments, but what all the I have from your posts is criticism on the intention behind. My facts and figures are still in first post and they need your intellectual analysis.

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    So you are admitting to waging a campaign of hate?
    I made a thread based on facts and figures, defend your beloved shining India with denying those facts and figures, not by this idiotic interrogation.
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    "I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today." 'The Genuine Islam,' Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936.Sir George Bernard Shaw

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