Can IBM can invent an AI to beat us?

**Wojek_Siren** · February 15, 2011, 09:22 AM

IBM built a computer that can go toe to toe with the champions in Jeopardy. This monster have 50 tons of megabites of information and need a whole room for it's cooler so it won't over heat.

You think IBM can invent an AI that can beat us one on one in total war(doesn't matter which game) without the insane stats bonus or extra money?

Honestly I fought the AI in total war so long in very hard that if I play it on normal then it feels like I'm fighting in slow motion.

**Swagger** · February 15, 2011, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by Wojek_Siren

IBM built a computer that can go toe to toe with the champions in Jeopardy. This monster have 50 tons of megabites of information and need a whole room for it's cooler so it won't over heat.

You think IBM can invent an AI that can beat us one on one in total war(doesn't matter which game) without the insane stats bonus or extra money?

Honestly I fought the AI in total war so long in very hard that if I play it on normal then it feels like I'm fighting in slow motion.

IBM shall be contacted at once!

now please, crawl back to where you came from you devilish heathen!

**The Juggernaut** · February 15, 2011, 09:27 AM

Oh, this would be so awesome, a supercomputer vs reigning multiplayer champion (whoever he/she is?!) Like the chess mat\ches against Deep Junior, except better!

**bushranger** · February 15, 2011, 09:30 AM

That thing is damn impressive and i still dont think it could make a AI act like a person.http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/tech/sm...-on-earth.html

**|Sith|Galvanized Iron** · February 15, 2011, 09:39 AM

I computer being expert at jeopardy doesn't seem so difficult, you just needs to program an encyklopedia in it. Wasn't the most advanced AI that IBM did a chess computer?

**Maizel** · February 15, 2011, 09:45 AM

I'm pretty sure they could build an AI on a supercomputer that could beat us.

**DeerHunter** · February 15, 2011, 09:49 AM

I am pretty sure that ant AI could not beat a good player on TW, to many variables in a TW game by far

**Wojek_Siren** · February 15, 2011, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by DeerHunter

I am pretty sure that ant AI could not beat a good player on TW, to many variables in a TW game by far

If you watch Jeopardy yesterday then you wouldn't be saying that.

Maybe in the furture there might be a TW version of Waltson going head to head with one of our best TW champions.

Heck, they might make a game show of it like Time Commanders.

**Ahlerich** · February 15, 2011, 10:21 AM

sounds like that ibm thing is simply a database.

the deep blue was more impressive but a total war battlefield is still a bit more complicated then a game of chess.

simple rock paper sicsors units could be a good solution though. its easy to tell ai who is supposed to attack whom. spearman attack cavalry when in range eg.

could become really chaotic on the battlefield though - in a positive and negative way. i d like to see it though.

**DeerHunter** · February 15, 2011, 10:22 AM

I did see jeopardy yesterday and still stand by my post, Fact on this sort of game at the moment the Human mind will beat any AI even if NASA had designed the AI

**Wojek_Siren** · February 15, 2011, 10:54 AM

I still believe that an AI can beat a human player on TW. They just need to be more aggressive and creative. The reason why we are slaughtering the AIs in TW is that we can predit their moves and the results of that move.

If IBM put a chess like mind into this AI, I think it might got a chance. An AI looking for the best way to win and/or causing the most damage. Predicting our moves and hindering our plans. For once I like the AI take advantage of a bridge battle instead of getting slaughter like in MedTW2. If you attack an army on a bridge battle. They will not move and you can have your crossbowmen slowly pick them off until you run out of ammo.

**DeerHunter** · February 15, 2011, 11:34 AM

Nope AI would have no chance at the moment

**Maizel** · February 15, 2011, 11:39 AM

I think an AI would do better with something like Total War than an avarage human.

Alot of the stuff in TW games boils down to some kind of maths at it's core. I;m sure a supercomputer is better at that kind of stuff than a person.

**Wojek_Siren** · February 17, 2011, 09:18 AM

Before this thread get bury forever in this forum, I got one more question to ask.

How many years will it be until the AI is smart enough where we need the stats bonus to keep up with them? Don't say," That will be the day that I die".

**Maizel** · February 17, 2011, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by Wojek_Siren

Before this thread get bury forever in this forum, I got one more question to ask.

How many years will it be until the AI is smart enough where we need the stats bonus to keep up with them? Don't say," That will be the day that I die".

Im sure therealready are plenty of AI's that could do that. But I think it will be a while until an AI like that will be useful to use in a game and run on an average household desktop.

**Chlodwig I.** · February 17, 2011, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by Wojek_Siren

Before this thread get bury forever in this forum, I got one more question to ask.

How many years will it be until the AI is smart enough where we need the stats bonus to keep up with them? Don't say," That will be the day that I die".

Never
because a AI can't be smart if you think of it in Human terms.

E.g. Deep Blue, it beats Chess Grandmasters
because it can calculate more possible moves and counter moves faster then a Human ever can.
Deep Blues is the best Chess Computer available
but is not smart,
it is only a pimped calculator.

**M2TWRocks** · February 17, 2011, 10:18 AM

What's so impressive about a computer beating a human when the sole challenge of the game is to retain knowledge? Of course a computer will beat a human. You can store an entire dictionary on a computer, and an entire encyclopedia. Jeopardy is about retained knowledge.

A computer would obliterate any human in chess or a memory game. Add variables in that require creative thought and actual strategic thought, and the computer will never stand a chance. The reason for this is simple: Computers can't learn, nor can they do anything that resembles creativity. This is why it is so difficult to create a solid opponent in a TW game. There's far too many variables involved.

**Wojek_Siren** · February 17, 2011, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by M2TWRocks

What's so impressive about a computer beating a human when the sole challenge of the game is to retain knowledge? Of course a computer will beat a human. You can store an entire dictionary on a computer, and an entire encyclopedia. Jeopardy is about retained knowledge.

A computer would obliterate any human in chess or a memory game. Add variables in that require creative thought and actual strategic thought, and the computer will never stand a chance. The reason for this is simple: Computers can't learn, nor can they do anything that resembles creativity. This is why it is so difficult to create a solid opponent in a TW game. There's far too many variables involved.

Brilliant answer!

but what if we cut down the variables? Could the AI function without knowing every variables in the game? Napolean once said," The most simple tactic is the best tactic".

**Maizel** · February 17, 2011, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by M2TWRocks

What's so impressive about a computer beating a human when the sole challenge of the game is to retain knowledge? Of course a computer will beat a human. You can store an entire dictionary on a computer, and an entire encyclopedia. Jeopardy is about retained knowledge.

A computer would obliterate any human in chess or a memory game. Add variables in that require creative thought and actual strategic thought, and the computer will never stand a chance. The reason for this is simple: Computers can't learn, nor can they do anything that resembles creativity. This is why it is so difficult to create a solid opponent in a TW game. There's far too many variables involved.

I think the main issue not the difficulty of any given task.

The AI that won jeopardy (what you're saying is easy) ran on more than 2000 processing cores.

I don't see the average Total War player having that kinds processing power anytime soon.