A little puzzled....When did Saxons occupy the whole Jutland and southern Sweden?

[FerociousVandals]

I feel a little puzzled.I remember saxons only lived in the north Germany and southern Denmark with Anglii as their neighbour in around 300 AD.(in fact,maybe Anglii were only a subgroup of them)Ancient German peoples who lived in northern Denmark is Cimbrii and Jutes while Danes in islands.(By the way,a Danish friend of me got very angry when he find Saxons occupy his homeland in the game )Swibi and Goth's relatives-Geaths lived in Southern Sweden.Is that a little problem with RTW-Barbarians?

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Would any buddy give me a little light on Vandals?

Double posts merged, please use the "EDIT" button next time -TBN

[Kraut]

Correct, the Saxons never occupied or lived in southern Sweden. However, if CA would try to give any minor germanic tribe a historical sound territory, the number of provinces would boost up by 1256448523%

[Last Roman]

So when did the Danes invade the Jutland peninsula? And were they the reasons that the Saxons left that area?

[FerociousVandals]

So when did the Danes invade the Jutland peninsula? And were they the reasons that the Saxons left that area?

Well,last Roman,maybe Danes came from Norseland and invaded the peninsular,but I wouldn't believe you can give me any proofs in details of Saxons living near the Skargrak channel(north tip of the peninsular).And Danes often lost in wars against Saxons,don't you think that's strange Danes took Saxon's land?

[Last Roman]

Well,last Roman,maybe Danes came from Norseland and invaded the peninsular,but I wouldn't believe you can give me any proofs in details of Saxons living near the Skargrak channel(north tip of the peninsular).And Danes often lost in wars against Saxons,don't you think that's strange Danes took Saxon's land?

Sorry I meant Angles

but as you see here, the Angles were from the lower Jutland peninsula

http://homepages.udayton.edu/~schuer...Migrations.jpg

[FerociousVandals]

thank you,kraut!your answer is funny.by the way,I want to know by around 300-400AD,how many major and minor Germanic tribes,unions,nations whatever lived in Europe?did they use common language and can communicate with it? Did they recognize each other among them as ethnically identity,especially seperating them from Latins,Celts?Did they make alliance against the Empire,Celts,Slavs,Iranian horde on the base of Germanic ethnic?

[quezcatol]

Goths came from Sweden.
Not baltic.
Anyway,we swedes has nothing to do with saxons

[theking994]

Goths came from Sweden.

not proved

[FerociousVandals]

not proved

Where on earth did Goths and Vandals first originate, my European buddy?

[theking994]

no one knows

[Kraut]

by the way,I want to know by around 300-400AD,how many major and minor Germanic tribes,unions,nations whatever lived in Europe?

Owww, hard question. During the exodus of germanic tribes from "traditional" Germania, many tribes vanished, others formed new tribes or split...in any case, you can say "some hundreds"...

did they use common language and can communicate with it?

Yes. Although the germanic language had very different dialects from region to region, they could communicate with each other and the main attribute to decide whether someone was germanic or not was indeed the unique germanic language.

Did they recognize each other among them as ethnically identity,especially seperating them from Latins,Celts?

They knew they were different, but they did not know they were united. What I want to say: Yes they recognised their cultural equalities, but there was no idea of a "germanic nation" or something like that. Your tribe was your fatherland at this time.

Did they make alliance against the Empire,Celts,Slavs,Iranian horde on the base of Germanic ethnic?

Yes and no. Yes, germanic tribes formed alliances against Romans, Celts, Huns and others. But no, this were not exclusive alliances. At the same time, other germanic tribes would ally WITH the Romans against other Germanians and WITH the Huns against the Romans and Germanians, and so on. Also, germanic tribes formed alliances against other alliances of germanic tribes. Quite a mess, you see...

[Libertine]

the most popular theory is Sweden, in particular Gotland....(hint: look at the names )

[theking994]

the most popular theory is Sweden, in particular Gotland....(hint: look at the names )

True but no one really knows

[Joar]

Recent archeological findings actually supports the theory that the Goths came from the parts of Sweden that today is known as Westregothia and Ostrogothia ( Väster - & Östergötland ), particularly the coastal areas of Westregothia.I believe it was Kerstin Cullberg who found that the area that today is modern Gothenburg had cultural and economical exchange with present day north Poland. The same goes for archeological findings from Ostrogothia. I will post more about this later.

[theking994]

Recent archeological findings actually supports the theory that the Goths came from the parts of Sweden that today is known as Westregothia and Ostrogothia ( Väster - & Östergötland ), particularly the coastal areas of Westregothia.I believe it was Kerstin Cullberg who found that the area that today is modern Gothenburg had cultural and economical exchange with present day north Poland. The same goes for archeological findings from Ostrogothia. I will post more about this later.

interesting, waiting for your next post

[quezcatol]

Recent archeological findings actually supports the theory that the Goths came from the parts of Sweden that today is known as Westregothia and Ostrogothia ( Väster - & Östergötland ), particularly the coastal areas of Westregothia.I believe it was Kerstin Cullberg who found that the area that today is modern Gothenburg had cultural and economical exchange with present day north Poland. The same goes for archeological findings from Ostrogothia. I will post more about this later.

Yes,and i trust the goths story about their origin,its not like they would lie coming from a small little **** island with no history,in all times people has made up their history,and claimed they came frfom something much bigger and greater,well,the only times people took **** history,was when they was 100% sure they came from that and they did not feel any shame.
WOuld make no sense whatsoever claiming they came from gothland,i mean swedish gotland else...

[Habelo]

Its fun to see how many scandinavian tribes who had a big reson of romes fall: goths, longoboards, burgiis....

[Riothamus]

Its fun to see how many scandinavian tribes who had a big reson of romes fall: goths, longoboards, burgiis....

Better yet, it's even funnier how the Huns chased all those Scandinavian tribes into the Roman Empire.

[Habelo]

Better yet, it's even funnier how the Huns chased all those Scandinavian tribes into the Roman Empire.

Hmm huns hunted goths into the roman empire, vandals did the rest hahahah

[John I Tzimisces]

Its fun to see how many scandinavian tribes who had a big reson of romes fall: goths, longoboards, burgiis....

Actually, the barbarians travelling into Rome were symptom of Rome's decay, not the fall itself. Usually, the barbarians got their asses handed to them by the Romans. But as Rome weakened internally, they began to have success. This was only really occuring in the past 20 or 30 years of the Western Roman Empire.