Venice Imploded

[nibelungvalesti]

i have no idea what happened but all of Venice's settlements just turned into rebels and Venice is no more.

how/why did this happen?

[The Source]

probably all thier family members died, happened to me playing as france on the 20th turn, spain taking of portugal and moors simontainisly=death at turn 15

[Marcvs Antonivs]

In one of my ex-games as England in 6.1 I remember playing England and training 3 assassins up to 10 subertfuge. I killed all French family members/generals. Result: All of France vanquished

[nibelungvalesti]

but some of the new rebels that spawned at the same time have generals. i assumed those were the former Venetian generals but i guess they were created when Venice imploded?

[Gorrrrrn]

Generals are not necessarily family members.
And you need family members to keep a faction alive.

[nibelungvalesti]

ah that makes sense then... still weird that a republic can implode because of lack of family members XP.

but i guess there is no way to mod that properly.

[SirRobin]

ah that makes sense then... still weird that a republic can implode because of lack of family members XP.

but i guess there is no way to mod that properly.

Medieval factions were not republics. If you read up on it you will see that it makes sense.

[Caesar Clivus]

Medieval factions were not republics. If you read up on it you will see that it makes sense.

If you read up on history, you'll find out that Venice, Genoa and Novgorod were republics.

[coldfusion21]

ah that makes sense then... still weird that a republic can implode because of lack of family members XP.

but i guess there is no way to mod that properly.

It is possible but family tree needs to be removed then all of them will be generals and 1 king. Factions will never be destroyed and they can come back to life by themselfs trough rebellion if law and happiness bonuses are decreased , or trough script that spawns random general and armies if they have 0 settlements.

[chris7ian]

In my current campaign, HRE late, I had spain, the cs, and Hungary all go rebel within the first 60 turns... Hungary was the next biggest nation behind me and the Mongols. Spain was invading England and the Crusaders were holding their own. Seems to be happening more in 6.4 than 6.3 did for me. I typically reload if I dont like the faction crumbling away and si I move their last family member away from their enemies, I did so for spain and the cs.

I decided to leave Hungary rebel since I'm fighting the Byzantines and hate traversing down the coastline and then across Greece to get to Turkey. The Byzantines are down to five or six settlements: Istanbul, Nicea, Adrianople, Smyrna, Trebizond and Sinope I think. I would have easily taken their last European settlements but they have the plague and my number two, Christian "the Bastard" von Hohenstaufen is too valuable to risk to the plague. So Christian has been conquering the Hungarian rebels to the north. They keep begging for a ceasefire LoL, at least that part is historically accurate.

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[nibelungvalesti]

In my current campaign, HRE late, I had spain, the cs, and Hungary all go rebel within the first 60 turns... Hungary was the next biggest nation behind me and the Mongols. Spain was invading England and the Crusaders were holding their own. Seems to be happening more in 6.4 than 6.3 did for me. I typically reload if I dont like the faction crumbling away and si I move their last family member away from their enemies, I did so for spain and the cs.

i would reload but i did not notice this had happened (i dont think i got the this faction has been destroyed message) and i kept playing for about 6 turns before i noticed.

[Marcvs Antonivs]

very mice indeed chris7ian I had an empire like that in 6.1 as HRE, but I started playing 6.3. Just replace the balkans with lithuania & northern italy and that was my empire

[chris7ian]

very mice indeed chris7ian I had an empire like that in 6.1 as HRE, but I started playing 6.3. Just replace the balkans with lithuania & northern italy and that was my empire

I'm not stopping til I paint it all black.

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[Marcvs Antonivs]

I'm not stopping til I paint it all black.

Specially that little purple spots

[Jambat]

Not to derail but I thought this may be the right thread to ask this. I was playing a CS game and took Tortosa from the Rebels. The very next turn my noble dissapeared from the settlement without any death/assassination notification, and the turn after that my army was kicked out of the town and instead of reverting to Rebel ownership, the Seljuk had claimed it. What exactly went on there?

[Thefallenhun]

Not to derail but I thought this may be the right thread to ask this. I was playing a CS game and took Tortosa from the Rebels. The very next turn my noble dissapeared from the settlement without any death/assassination notification, and the turn after that my army was kicked out of the town and instead of reverting to Rebel ownership, the Seljuk had claimed it. What exactly went on there?

Was there a seljuk diplomat present? Enemy AI diplomats will use the "bribe" function and if that settlement had a low public order and/or a governor with low loyalty, perhaps the turks bought them off.

[Jambat]

Was there a seljuk diplomat present? Enemy AI diplomats will use the "bribe" function and if that settlement had a low public order and/or a governor with low loyalty, perhaps the turks bought them off.

No, that's what made it strange. It was like a common revolt, but when I was thrown out it went to a faction that had no real presence to the area. No spies or assassins in the town, no diplomats, no army nearby. Just chucked out and a flagged was raised. Never have I seen it before or after that time, but it always stuck with me as a WTH moment.

[chris7ian]

Yea the messages are messed up a bit. I normally get the same messages for about 5 turns afterwards. I play four turns per year so I save every spring for each year in case something random like that happens and I dont catch it. My save menu looks like this:

quicksave - at the end of a turn
autosave - auto
battle - before a battle, in case of crash
what if - man of hour events, I dont like them going into my direct decendant line only on female family line and you never know where they will be placed.
1238
1237
1236
1235
1234
1233
1232
1231
1230
etc

[Thefallenhun]

Maybe the diplomat did the bribe and then moved away. Also, did it go rebel, then turk, or did it just go turk? Because if it JUST went turk, I'm sure there wa a diplo you just didn't see.

[k/t]

What happened was that the general died in the riot caused by the order in the settlement being too low and then the settlement revolted and reverted to its "founding faction" - the Turks.