why do people who arent christian constantly say jesus was a prophet

[Shugo560]

i mean really!!!!!!!!!! constantly Jesus has said "I am" or "Me and the Father are one" i mean its stupid people can still say he was just a prophet, they obviously never read the bible or even considered learing a little about other religions, i mean Islam cant be the true faith because notice in the Old Testament and New Testament God did his work himself if it was serious or he'd get a Patriarch, a Bishop, mabye even a holy priest, but it also seems idiotic that Muslims believe Muhammed was sent by god, Muhammed had nothing to do with Monothiestic religions at all until he called by Archangel Gabriel, God sends people himself to do his bidding, Gabriel is his messenger to tell people who are confused, God tells people himself to saints, to Bishops, to the Apostles, and to people before jesus God told them himself to do his biddings, not send Gabriel to tell people to do his biddings

[Tuor]

i mean really!!!!!!!!!! constantly Jesus has said "I am" or "Me and the Father are one" i mean its stupid people can still say he was just a prophet, they obviously never read the bible or even considered learing a little about other religions, i mean Islam cant be the true faith because notice in the Old Testament and New Testament God did his work himself if it was serious or he'd get a Patriarch, a Bishop, mabye even a holy priest, but it also seems idiotic that Muslims believe Muhammed was sent by god, Muhammed had nothing to do with Monothiestic religions at all until he called by Archangel Gabriel, God sends people himself to do his bidding, Gabriel is his messenger to tell people who are confused, God tells people himself to saints, to Bishops, to the Apostles, and to people before jesus God told them himself to do his biddings, not send Gabriel to tell people to do his biddings

Are you arguing that just because it was supposedly done different the second time (i.e. God sending an angel rather than directly associating with Mohammad himself) that it can't be true?

[C-Rob]

if that's what he means^^^^

Then he's completely off the mark.

Angels were sent to Mary and Joseph each.
And god directly talked to Moses.

eDIT: If you don't believe that he was the son of god, you can say he was still a prophet. That is perfectly within logical means.(as illogical as religion is)

[ShADoW]

So your whole argument is that it doesn't say so or occur in your religion which means other people are idiots?

[Hilarion]

i mean really!!!!!!!!!! constantly Jesus has said "I am" or "Me and the Father are one"

No he didn't?

[CamilleBonparte]

There's a lot of reasons Islam can't be true OP, just look at this thread: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=418468

[Central Asian Qaghan]

There's a lot of reasons Islam can't be true OP, just look at this thread: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=418468

Considering you base you facts on translations and not the original source that is the Quran you're thread is pointless and full of lies.

[cardnals100]

There's a lot of reasons Islam can't be true OP, just look at this thread: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=418468

Since I don't really want to bring that thread back from page 3 I'll respond to you here.

The Koran as far as I know, was originally passed down orally,because of this it would be prone to error regardless of whether or not it was divinely inspired.

[Helm]

It's Muslims who say that, to everyone else he was either a con artist, mad or a myth. I'd go for myth, though a myth based on someone who was alive in real life.

[Himster]

It's Muslims who say that, to everyone else he was either a con artist, mad or a myth. I'd go for myth, though a myth based on someone who was alive in real life.

That would make him a legend inyo, right?

[Col. Tartleton]

That would make him a legend inyo, right?

Like Thor... Because none of you can claim to never have been in awe of a lightning storm.

And every move done by Jesus including crucifixion was masterminded by Jesus for maximum "holy crap" factor. He was playing messiah.

[Helm]

That would make him a legend inyo, right?

To me Jesus has about the same status as King Arthur, I'm sure King Arthur was based on a real Roman Celtic leader who managed to restrict the Anglo Saxon invasion of Britian during the Dark Ages. Jesus likewise must have been based on a well known Jewish preacher, healer and mystic. Most of the supernatural themes and events were most likely taken from the eastern mystery cults of the era.

[basics]

" Most of the supernatural themes and events were most likely taken from the eastern mystery cults of the era. "

Helm,

Yet God told Moses to write down everything He would give him to write, yes, even in the knowledge of what the nations believed in or followed, so that they, the tribes of Israel, would know for sure where they came from and why. It is here that we see that those mystery cults as you call them really didn't have a clue about what they believed or why?

For sure we can see that whatever they did follow must have been a distortion of what was the first prophecy given by God Himself in the garden at a time when there were only Adam, Eve and the serpent who could hear His words. We also know that the first of these was the deification of Ninus or Nimrod which was certainly mythologised all over the known world and still are in some cases even today.

[Helm]

*snips*

The theory I favou in relation to the orgins of is that Christianity began life as a Mystery cult modified in such a way that Jews could follow it. The pagan Mysteries each used a pagan deity to symbolish death and resurrection the Jews being monotheists didn't have anything like that so instead used the Jewish Messiah in his place. Initally the first Christians were Gnostics who took the story of Jesus as a metaphor for some kind of mysticism in regard to life, death and the immorality of the soul. At some point someone who was not initated into the Gnostic Mysteries got hod of a copy of the Jesus story and took it to be real history, and that's when Christianity as we know it began. I could possibly be wrong and Jesus was the real deal after all but I'd favour my less fantasical explanation, and not believing in the supernatural I would find it difficult to believe the NT story as literal history. My problem with the supernatural is that it just seems like trying to explain something unknown with something that in itself can't be explained, so it doesn't realy explain anything.

Which is why king arthur is a legend, Achilles is a legend, Setanta is a legend, Buddha is a legend, Socrates could be considered a legend IMO. Fairies/norse gods/karma/jedi knights/english people with good teeth are myths.

There's normally an element of truth in most myths as well as elements of myth within some truths.

[Himster]

To me Jesus has about the same status as King Arthur, I'm sure King Arthur was based on a real Roman Celtic leader who managed to restrict the Anglo Saxon invasion of Britian during the Dark Ages. Jesus likewise must have been based on a well known Jewish preacher, healer and mystic. Most of the supernatural themes and events were most likely taken from the eastern mystery cults of the era.

Which is why king arthur is a legend, Achilles is a legend, Setanta is a legend, Buddha is a legend, Socrates could be considered a legend IMO. Fairies/norse gods/karma/jedi knights/english people with good teeth are myths.

[basics]

Helm,

The words used by Jesus Christ at that time had quite a significant effect on the Jews to whom He was speaking primarily because to use the expression " I AM " was something that people avoided like the plague. Today we speak of God in a familiarity that wouldn't have been done then, not by that people anyway.

Knowing that one begins to understand why the religious leaders of the day went ballistic if they were in hearing distance, even had it related later. Their problem was that they couldn't see past the Law, they couldn't see that righteousness put men beyond the Law because in their case the Law meant works, something that they couldn't aspire to.

So when Jesus Christ talked of being " one with the Father " of course they were furious yet what He said was confirmed by mighty works and deeds which whilst accepting they happened they the leaders allotted them to the power of Satan. The ordinary man and woman being pressed by them were twix and tween because they saw that Jesus was something special stopping short at prophet rather than going the whole hog as to His divinity. The last thing they needed was to be stoned to death.

So when talking of those days it is important not to think as a Gentile, rather as a Jew and what their customs and rituals had made of them. Remember all these were sent as figure and type pointing to Him, yes even the Law itself but rather than have the proper effect all it did was to deter them from doing very much at all unless they fall into sin. Therefore treading lightly they avoided what could save them for if any just accepted that they were sinners a Saviour was amongst them.

[Darth_Revan]

who cares if he is considered a prophet..

[PointOfViewGun]

Is this the dumbest thread ever or what?

[Nimthill]

@ OP:

Since there are literally hundreds of different interpretations of the Bible, I think it is rather arrogant to claim only yours is valid. Don't Christians often speak of 'becoming one with God'? That does not mean an actual (meta)physical merger, but rather being in sync with God, understanding (part of) him. It's quite possible Jesus actually intended this, meaning he'd be a mortal in sync with God.

Which is why king arthur is a legend, Achilles is a legend, Setanta is a legend, Buddha is a legend, Socrates could be considered a legend IMO. Fairies/norse gods/karma/jedi knights/english people with good teeth are myths.

Yes. It's quite easy to see how Jesus could have been a normal person. Look around you today; there are so many people who actually believe that contemporary faith healers can cure cancer by laying his hands on people, using nifty tricks to get the effect. Imagine that 2000 years ago, when people were even more gullible.

[Helm]

There was an absolute mass of faith healers around during the time of Jesus, they didn't have our level of scientific medicine so people would tend to see mystics and spiritualists instead. People still do it today, there's Reiki for instance, I have a book detailing what should be touched where in order to channel the psychic healing energy from your chakras. So I'm sure Jesus must have been one of these guys.