The Zeitgeist Movement

[BunnyPoopCereal]

What is your point of view regarding the movement?

Vid: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...7043163636261#


PDF: http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/...20Movement.pdf

[Tacitursa]

I recently watched there new film - Moving forward. One of the best documentaries ive ever seen, I hope what they talk about in that film happens one day.

[black-dragon]

I flicked through it and closed the video when it claimed that there was 'no reason' to continue burning fossil fuels. Yahright.

[manofarms89]

Are these the same people who made that film named "Zeitgeist"?

[Denny Crane!]

Same people yes. Futurist utopian crap. Art student makes good propaganda/cult.

[Veliky Kaiser Theos]

First movie made me think "a bunch of crazies" after the first part. I loved the speech about the all powerful god needing money. But the other 2/3 was just silly. Addendum wasn't so crazy though. Just overly optimistic. The movies are delusional but still good food for thought.

[Himster]

Same people yes. Futurist utopian crap. Art student makes good propaganda/cult.

Dude, seriously, what do you have against art students. This is the second time you've insulted us. Did an artist steal your girlfriend?

Anyway, the venus project has more to do with design (art's whorish, slutier, younger sister).

[Denny Crane!]

Dude, seriously, what do you have against art students. This is the second time you've insulted us. Did an artist steal your girlfriend?

Anyway, the venus project has more to do with design (art's whorish, slutier, younger sister).

Haha sorry it is like trying to hit a barn door it is just an easy target

[manofarms89]

Same people yes. Futurist utopian crap. Art student makes good propaganda/cult.

Okay, so it's the same guys. I've heard of The Zeitgeist Movement before, here and there, but never cared enough to actually look into it. Saw the first film, some of it I already knew about, some were interesting theories, but most was conspiracy theory . The film takes itself way too seriously.

[Denny Crane!]

Okay, so it's the same guys. I've heard of The Zeitgeist Movement before, here and there, but never cared enough to actually look into it. Saw the first film, some of it I already knew about, some were interesting theories, but most was conspiracy theory . The film takes itself way too seriously.

Yup I know yet are you aware how popular this crap is?

[manofarms89]

Yup I know yet are you aware how popular this crap is?

Yea, and its unfortunate, but I take solace in the fact that these people still operate at the fringe, despite their popularity on 4chan.

[Tacitursa]

OK. Please, list 5 REASONS why the venus project would work. Please. Tell me why it would work.

OH RIGHT. You can't, because you have no ing idea.

How about you list 5 reasons why it wouldnt work.

[chilon]

Same people yes. Futurist utopian crap. Art student makes good propaganda/cult.

Please don't call the Zeitgeist people "futurists". They are not classic futurists nor are they modern futurists. Modern futurism I associate with people like Ray Kurzweil or Lawrence Lessig; people that are basically technological optimists. Modern futurists like Ray Kurzweil have a very different world view than this overly simplistic one of the zeitgeist people and I would hate for the term futurism to get co-opted by wing nuts.

I understand why one might call these people utopian futurists but, I really think since they are euphemistic conspiracy theorists first and foremost that that is how they should be referred to.

[Denny Crane!]

Please don't call the Zeitgeist people "futurists". They are not classic futurists nor are they modern futurists. Modern futurism I associate with people like Ray Kurzweil or Lawrence Lessig; people that are basically technological optimists. Modern futurists like Ray Kurzweil have a very different world view than this overly simplistic one of the zeitgeist people and I would hate for the term futurism to get co-opted by wing nuts.

I understand why one might call these people utopian futurists but, I really think since they are euphemistic conspiracy theorists first and foremost that that is how they should be referred to.

Well with that last sentence how could I do anything else than bow to your superior derogatory skills, done sir done

[Denny Crane!]

Not good food for thought if you investigate just about anything said in the movies and realise he gets just about everything wrong. I dislike religion as much as any other man but his criticism of Christianity was hopelessly flawed and so poorly researched.

[raistlinmajere8]

“Eager souls, mystics and revolutionaries, may propose to refashion the world in accordance with their dreams; but evil remains, and so long as it lurks in the secret places of the heart, utopia is only the shadow of a dream”

Yeah it would be cool and all to live in a Star Trek type future where all that EVERY SINGLE HUMAN cared about was bettering themselves and everything around them, but sadly I don't think that will be happening any time soon. After all, something of this magnitude would require human nature to be perfected. Can that happen? That's a completely different argument... but I don't believe that is possible. I wouldn't even label myself pessimistic either, I just don't think you can "perfect" human nature to the point where we are all altruistic perfect beings. Not without some major genetic enhancements.... erm lobotomizing I mean.

[Augment]

The point is and remains, the current Economic system is evil and destroys lives and since we are hunter gatherers, we have to live a similar life but more advanced.

[raistlinmajere8]

The point is and remains, the current Economic system is evil and destroys lives and since we are hunter gatherers, we have to live a similar life but more advanced.

Umm a hunter gatherer system couldn't possibly supply food for ~7 billion people. For many reasons, which should be pretty obvious. Unless, of course, we kill off ~6 Billion people.

Simply put, either everyone would sacrifice any sort of life devoted to a specialized role in society in order to provide enough food, or you have to create a class of people that would do nothing but hunt and gather food all their lives in order to sustain society. Hmm... that really doesn't solve anything, now does it? Not to mention it's not really utopian....

No. In order for something like this to happen, we will need massive leaps in technology. So that's why I say nothing like this will happen soon. Maybe in the future, when the technology gets there. Yet, the fact remains that human nature would still need a major makeover.

[Tacitursa]

Same people yes. Futurist utopian crap

You dont think the venus project would improve human lives? Have you seen there lastest movie "Moving Forward"?

I agree with almost everything they say in it.

[BunnyPoopCereal]

“Eager souls, mystics and revolutionaries, may propose to refashion the world in accordance with their dreams; but evil remains, and so long as it lurks in the secret places of the heart, utopia is only the shadow of a dream”

Nathaniel Hawthorne

This is a fascinating quote. Will save it

@ Whoever said something about Utopia is BullSh. I would like to point out that what you say is your opinion and not a fact

Furthermore if you are saying that anything they say in the documentaries is false then please enlighten us with some counter arguments, at least gain some credibility first.