Arizona again: Proposed Legislation Would Allow Arizona To Ignore Federal Laws

[B5C]

Proposed Legislation Would Allow Arizona To Ignore Federal Laws

Arizona lawmakers are considering another bill that puts the state in conflict with the federal government. Phoenix's KPHO reports:

If passed and signed into law, Senate Bill 1433 would give members of the state Legislature the power to override federal laws and executive orders...

It would allow a committee of 12 people — six from the House and six from the Senate — to recommend to the full Legislature which laws they think are unconstitutional.

Both new and existing federal laws would be up for debate.

The bill states that "no authority has ever been given to the legislative branch, the executive branch or the judicial branch of the federal government to preempt state legislation."

The bill is co-sponsered by Russell Pearce, the newly minted Senate president, who was also the driving force behind Arizona's controversial immigration law, last year.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...e-federal-laws

Basically Arizona can unofficially secede from the Union by ignore any federal law it doesn't like. Too bad we have the "supremacy clause." Unless they claim that is unconstitutional.

[Seether]

Conservatives at their finest

[HissingNewt]

Conservatives at their finest

I'm not sure these people could count as conservatives. They do want an expansion of the powers of a government, just not the usual federal government. But this will end badly for them if it goes to court.

[PointOfViewGun]

They do want an expansion of the powers of a government, just not the usual federal government.

Which is kinda what many Republicans actually want.

[C-Rob]

.... Andrew Jackson.. please return and kick the ever living out of this state.

I might be jumping ahead of myself... but seriously, is arizona's high schools so that they forgot about what happened historically when states tried this?


What exactly do they want to nullify?

[HissingNewt]

Which is kinda what many Republicans actually want.

I never claimed Republicans are conservative. I'd say a higher proportion of them are conservative compared to Democrats, but the party itself is not.

[PointOfViewGun]

I never claimed Republicans are conservative. I'd say a higher proportion of them are conservative compared to Democrats, but the party itself is not.

Maybe it's not a conservative party to the letter but it's more conservative than it's anything else.
The point is that those who don't want more government usually only word this since a Democrat became the president. They criticize Democrats for expanding the government but some of their own policies expand the government may more.

[Dr Zoidberg]

Conservatives Secessionists at their finest

Fixed.

[Seether]

Fixed.

What's the difference?

[Poach]

So..... 2nd US Civil War incoming?

[Ahlerich]

is arizona the american bavaria?

[Panzerbear]

according to the latter and spirit of the US constitution, States power > National govt power. if the states didn't have the ability to secede, they wouldn't have joined the Union to begin with.

unfortuanately, since the Civil War set the dangerous precedent that the Feds have hegemony over individual states, this trend has been reversed... let's see if Arizona can lead the charge against the big government... go AZ! you are the new Texas !

[Heinz Guderian]

A proper civil war in America would sort alot of this shiz out. It'll help sort out all the partisan politics, the religious/athiest stuff and finally find a true homeland for the whites.

[Panzerbear]

an average American has too much to lose, so there won't be another civil war .

If the US govt continues its level of spending and budget deficits, I am sure a lot more states will join Arizona.

[Ahlerich]

real partisan politics require live rounds anyways..

[Viking Prince]

If you can all pause for a moment....

The reported source says the bill is introduced. It still needs to get out of committee, pass the state senate and then go through the same procedures in the state House. Even with the state senate President as one of a small group of sponsors, this is not the whole of the Arizona Republican party taling a position. I do have sympathy regarding the 10th amendment. The final bill will probably not be simple nullification though, but federal court action to overturn. Let's wait a bit and see what happens.

OK -- continue to proceed with the banter on secession and civil war.

[mongrel]

If you can all pause for a moment....

The reported source says the bill is introduced. It still needs to get out of committee, pass the state senate and then go through the same procedures in the state House. Even with the state senate President as one of a small group of sponsors, this is not the whole of the Arizona Republican party taling a position. I do have sympathy regarding the 10th amendment. The final bill will probably not be simple nullification though, but federal court action to overturn. Let's wait a bit and see what happens.

OK -- continue to proceed with the banter on secession and civil war.

Which leads to the question of why waste the State Senate's time with this, are there more pressing issues they can deal with?

[Viking Prince]

Which leads to the question of why waste the State Senate's time with this, are there more pressing issues they can deal with?

Like I stated -- I do have sympathy over the 10th amendment and the overextended reach of the current Federal government. Often that reach adds rules to how money that is not even federal has to be spent by tying the rules to other federal appropriations. So there is merit to setting up legislative oversight on the process. And with the need for the federal budget to get under control, these types of challenges may be helpful for all concerned.

[Seether]

Like I stated -- I do have sympathy over the 10th amendment and the overextended reach of the current Federal government. Often that reach adds rules to how money that is not even federal has to be spent by tying the rules to other federal appropriations. So there is merit to setting up legislative oversight on the process. And with the need for the federal budget to get under control, these types of challenges may be helpful for all concerned.

How many states contemplated seccession, or seccessionist policies, when Bush was in office? I mean, he did expand the reach of the Federal government many times more than Obama (Patriot Act, for example), yet 'small government' conservatives were quiet about it.

With everything going on, including the increase of violent rhetoric against liberals (or as conservatives call them: socialists/communists) and the idiotic personal attacks on Obama's religion, ideology, and religion, I really think the primary problem with leading conservatives is that Obama is a black president. The type of they are doing is unprecidented in the modern age of American society and politics. Now, I'm not saying all conservatives, or even the majority, but I find it hard that it is just Obama's policies (many of which are based on previous Republican principles and policies) that is causing all of this ruckus.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

I find it hard that it is just Obama's policies (many of which are based on previous Republican principles and policies) that is causing all of this ruckus.

Since his backstabbing of the UK I think Obama is the worst president the US ever had.

That's right, he's worse than Ford and Carter put together.