European Court of Human Rights has turned Britain into a "Safe Haven for Terror"...

[CrayonVonCaesar]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12356563
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ile-warns.html

Lord Carlile QC (a Liberal-Democrat peer and Terror watchdog)

"The effect is to make the UK a safe haven for some individuals whose determination is to damage the UK and its citizens, hardly a satisfactory situation," he said."
Yet more damning evidence, if any more were needed, that the UK needs to ditch the EU human rights disaster and create a British bill of rights.

The coalition government made their intention to scrap it clear before the election...

Mr Cameron's call came on a day of high emotion as Mr Lawrence's widow, Frances, said the legislation, which was adopted by the Labour Government in 2000, was "rotten at the core".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ights-Act.html

...but have been silent on it since, I would imagine chiefly due to Lib-Dem mainstream opinion.

[legate]

The terrorists here in the UK dont seem to be doing that much.

[Jom]

The poll is misleading. It's not the EU Human Rights Act as the EU (European Union) did not exist at the signing of the European Convention on Human Rights, and the European Court of Human Rights is entirely distinct from any EU organ.

[mongrel]

The poll is misleading. It's not the EU Human Rights Act as the EU (European Union) did not exist at the signing of the European Convention on Human Rights, and the European Court of Human Rights is entirely distinct from any EU organ.

Indeed. And scrapping the Human Rights Act , if I understand it, does not prevent a European citizen seeking redress in the ECHR, so I think there has to be a good reason to prioritize this legislation over anything else.

[Ayleid]

I honestly don't see how the HRA 1998 is such a massive problem for some people. Prior to it the British people didn't have any such thing as a 'right', we could only operate with what wasn't deemed ilegal. So to speak. As a result, our Human Rights track record, prior to 1998, was quite poor.

Funny how nationalists tend to blur the facts..

[Azog 150]

^^^There is the English Bill of Rights 1689 and the Claim of Right Act 1689 which are fundamental parts of the British constitution.

Saying that, I would like to see a British Bill of Rights

[HissingNewt]

^^^There is the English Bill of Rights 1689 and the Claim of Right Act 1689 which are fundamental parts of the British constitution.

Saying that, I would like to see a British Bill of Rights

Do the Scots not have anything?

[Azog 150]

Do the Scots not have anything?

Thats the Claim of Right Act. The Rights given in the English Bill of Rights carried on into the British constitution on the formation of the United Kingdom in 1707

[HissingNewt]

Thats the Claim of Right Act. The Rights given in the English Bill of Rights carried on into the British constitution on the formation of the United Kingdom in 1707

Alright, thanks for the explanation. I don't have much knowledge of British laws before the 1830s.

[Poach]

Other: Scrap all Human Rights legislation. All it does is serve as a vehicle for prisoners, illegal immigrants and criminals to sue the state for getting better than they deserve anyway. I've yet to see someone who hasn't broken a law somewhere attempting to use any Human Rights acts in a court to support their position.

[mongrel]

Other: Scrap all Human Rights legislation. All it does is serve as a vehicle for prisoners, illegal immigrants and criminals to sue the state for getting better than they deserve anyway. I've yet to see someone who hasn't broken a law somewhere attempting to use any Human Rights acts in a court to support their position.

Not true

In January 2008 a Sikh schoolgirl excluded from school for wearing a religious
bangle was granted a court hearing of her claim that the school has violated her
human rights under the HRA.

In June the House of Lords ruled that the HRA extends to cover those held in UK
detention facilities in Iraq.

In 2008 an 18-year old mother could receive damages from social services for taking
her newborn baby away from her as soon as he was born, after arguing that this went
against her rights under the HRA.

In 2008 a cancer patient is pursuing legal action against the NHS for refusing her full
treatment of her cancer because she paid for part of it privately.

In 2007 the family of a mentally ill woman who committed suicide after absconding
from a hospital ward claimed that the NHS-run hospital did not ensure that adequate
measures were in place to protect the woman’s life, thus failing to protect her under
the HRA.

In essence all the HRA does is enable people in the UK to enforce their European convention rights in UK courts. Repeal just means that one would have to fly to court, rather than catch a bus.


Is the any suggestion that places like Egypt and Pakistan would not jump at the chance at torturing suspects, seeing that terrorist suspects were renditioned to these places for that very purpose?


Although I see arguments for tinkering the law, I can't see how abolition would advantage the state, The HRA does not seem to have prevented such abuses as rendition and the use of information obtained by torture, nor did it affect that ridiculous US extradition treaty.
hence I share this thought.

What an odd thread, I thought this would have been about Control orders.

Oh, and there is no such creature EU Human Rights Act. I am curious how one could keep it.

[nemgod]

I've yet to see someone who hasn't broken a law somewhere attempting to use any Human Rights acts in a court to support their position.

How about every single case where someone sues their boss/company for illegal dismissal from work due to Race, gender, sexuality, hair colour. etc.

[Helm]

One minute we're abusing human rights and the next minute we're too soft on terrorists. We need to make up our mind as to what we would prefer to do.

[Poach]

One minute we're abusing human rights and the next minute we're too soft on terrorists. We need to make up our mind as to what we would prefer to do.

The public say we're too soft.

The criminals abuse the Human Rights act to sue the state despite the fact that the "prisons" they live in are more akin to holiday camps.

Scrap the act entirely. Prisons should be places of reform, not places where your living standard exceeds that found in military bases: you don't need to live in high comfort to attend classes and live your life.

[Helm]

The public say we're too soft.

The criminals abuse the Human Rights act to sue the state despite the fact that the "prisons" they live in are more akin to holiday camps.

Scrap the act entirely. Prisons should be places of reform, not places where your living standard exceeds that found in military bases: you don't need to live in high comfort to attend classes and live your life.

But they complained when New Labour did this whole holding for 24 days without charge thing. Or do they have different standards for the Torries?

[Poach]

Depends on whether you're on the left or right. I didn't complain about the 24 days without charge law: some people genuinely believe our prisons should be places of the highest comfort and that prisoner's rights should be respected as a priority.

[Helm]

But left and right is only a prefence for an economic system though.

[Azog 150]

I agree that our prisons are far too comfortable, and that many prison senteces are far too leniant.

But I was also one of those people opposing 24 days imprisonment without charge on the grounds that its a pretty basic breach of rights.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

Well I think prisons here are pretty brutal, for example Mountjoy is 161 years old and really a hell on Earth. Two-man cells have 6 prisoners each. Every now again a segregated prisoner is "accidently" mixed with the general population and murdered. The plumbing was ripped out in the 30s - they all go in a bucket and slop out each morning. No TVs or any other crap. Only the unmarked graves of those executed within the walls to look at in the courtyard.

I think they should re-open Kilmainham and other UK-era prisons as something similar to mountjoy, the newer prisons are too comfortable.

[Poach]

The Government was (successfully) sued by the prisoners of a UK Prison for having to slop out. Human Rights. I hate the Human Rights bill, it serves only to protect the people who do not deserve it.