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    Default Kepler Telescope finds 50 canidate planets which appear to be in the "Habbitable Zone"

    So the first data package from Kepler has been released with some exciting finds.

    http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/ke...a_release.html

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    Is our Milky Way galaxy home to other planets the size of Earth? Are Earth-sized planets common or rare? NASA scientists seeking answers to those questions recently revealed their discovery.

    "We went from zero to 68 Earth-sized planet candidates and zero to 54 candidates in the habitable zone - a region where liquid water could exist on a planet’s surface. Some candidates could even have moons with liquid water," said William Borucki of NASA’s Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, Calif., and the Kepler Mission’s science principal investigator. "Five of the planetary candidates are both near Earth-size and orbit in the habitable zone of their parent stars."

    Planet candidates require follow-up observations to verify they are actual planets.

    "We have found over twelve hundred candidate planets - that’s more than all the people have found so far in history," said Borucki. "Now, these are candidates, but most of them, I’m convinced, will be confirmed as planets in the coming months and years."

    The findings increase the number of planet candidates identified by Kepler to-date to 1,235. Of these, 68 are approximately Earth-size; 288 are super-Earth-size; 662 are Neptune-size; 165 are the size of Jupiter and 19 are larger than Jupiter. Of the 54 new planet candidates found in the habitable zone, five are near Earth-sized. The remaining 49 habitable zone candidates range from super-Earth size -- up to twice the size of Earth -- to larger than Jupiter. The findings are based on the results of observations conducted May 12 to Sept. 17, 2009 of more than 156,000 stars in Kepler’s field of view, which covers approximately 1/400 of the sky.

    "The fact that we’ve found so many planet candidates in such a tiny fraction of the sky suggests there are countless planets orbiting stars like our sun in our galaxy," said Borucki. "Kepler can find only a small fraction of the planets around the stars it looks at because the orbits aren’t aligned properly. If you account for those two factors, our results indicate there must be millions of planets orbiting the stars that surround our sun."

    “We’re about half-way through Kepler’s scheduled mission," said Roger Hunter, the Kepler project manager. "Today’s announcement is very exciting and portends many discoveries to come. It’s looking like the galaxy may be littered with many planets.”

    Among the stars with planetary candidates, 170 show evidence of multiple planetary candidates, including one, Kepler-11, that scientists have been able to confirm that has no fewer than six planets.

    "Another exciting discovery has been the tremendous variations in the structure of the confirmed planets – some have the density of Styrofoam and others are denser than iron. The Earth's density is in between."

    "The historic milestones Kepler makes with each new discovery will determine the course of every exoplanet mission to follow," said Douglas Hudgins, Kepler program scientist at NASA Headquarters in Washington.

    Kepler, a space telescope, looks for planet signatures by measuring tiny decreases in the brightness of stars caused by planets crossing in front of them - this is known as a transit.

    Since transits of planets in the habitable zone of sun-like stars occur about once a year and require three transits for verification, it is expected to take three years to locate and verify Earth-size planets orbiting sun-like stars.

    The Kepler science team uses ground-based telescope and the Spitzer Space Telescope to perform follow-up observations on planetary candidates and other objects of interest found with the spacecraft. The star field that Kepler observes in the constellations Cygnus and Lyra can only be seen from ground-based observatories in spring through early fall. The data from these other observations helps determine which of the candidates can be validated as planets.

    "The first four months of data have given us an enormous amount of interesting information for the science community to explore and to find the planets among the candidates that we have found," said Borucki. "Keep in mind, in the future, we’ll have even more data for small planets in and near the habitable zone for everyone to look at."

    Kepler will continue conducting science operations until at least November 2012, searching for planets as small as Earth, including those that orbit stars in a warm habitable zone where liquid water could exist on the surface of the planet. Since transits of planets in the habitable zone of solar-like stars occur about once a year and require three transits for verification, it is expected to take three years to locate and verify Earth-size planets orbiting sun-like stars.

    Borucki predicted that the search using the Kepler spacecraft’s continuous and long-duration capability will significantly enhance scientists’ ability to determine the distributions of planet size and orbital period in the future.

    "In the coming years, Kepler’s capabilities will allow us to find Earth-size planets in the habitable zone of other stars," Borucki said. "Future missions will be developed to study the composition of planetary atmospheres to determine if they are compatible with the presence of life. The design for these missions depends of Kepler finding whether Earth-size planets in the habitable zone are common or rare."

    The Kepler Mission team has discovered a total of 15 exoplanets, including the smallest known exoplanet, Kepler-10b.

    "Kepler is providing data 100 times better than anyone has ever done before," said Borucki. "It’s exploring a new part of phase space, a new part of the universe that could not be explored without this kind of precision, so it’s producing absolutely beautiful data. We’re seeing the variability of stars like no one has ever seen before. We’re finding planets smaller than anyone has ever seen before, because the data quality is extremely good."

    "In one generation we have gone from extraterrestrial planets being a mainstay of science fiction, to the present, where Kepler has helped turn science fiction into today's reality," said NASA Administrator Charles Bolden. "These discoveries underscore the importance of NASA's science missions, which consistently increase understanding of our place in the cosmos."

    Kepler is NASA's tenth Discovery mission. Ames is responsible for the ground system development, mission operations and science data analysis. NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., managed the Kepler mission development. Ball Aerospace and Technologies Corp., Boulder, Colo., was responsible for developing the Kepler flight system, and along with the Laboratory for Atmospheric and Space Physics at the University of Colorado, is supporting mission operations. Ground observations necessary to confirm the discoveries were conducted at the Keck I in Hawaii; Hobby-Ebberly and Harlan J. Smith 2.7m in Texas; Hale and Shane in California; WIYN, MMT and Tillinghast in Arizona, and the Nordic Optical in the Canary Islands, Spain.


    I imagine this only helps to confirm many of our suspicions, but keep in mind that these have yet to be confirmed so the number may very well drop in the future (that is until the next data release).
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    Default Re: Kepler Telescope finds 50 canidate planets which appear to be in the "Habbitable Zone"

    I have to wonder how they filter out the noise of a multiple planet system to determine there is a earth sized planet there in any zone.

    Think of it this way, we have 4 gas giants in our solar system, one of which is bigger than every rocky planet combined. Thats going to cause a wobble, as will the other 3.

    How they figure out whats wobbling where I wouldn't be able to tell you. Added what if you have a large gas giant and on the other side if the system another larger gas giant an orbit out. Might not those 'cancel' each other leaving a slight wobble they would call a small rocky planet?

    If anyone has the most advanced math they use for these studies, please post, as I am wondering if we are being a bit over zealous in our claims.
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    http://planetquest.jpl.nasa.gov/missions/keplerMission.cfm
    The Kepler mission doesn’t use the wobble method. It tracks the light of a star and measures any dimming caused by the transit of a planet. Thus it only tracks planets that are moving on a plane between the Kepler satellite and their star. So its not an exotic formula. The computer tracks photons from thousands of stars and if they dim periodically it must be something like a planet orbiting the star. The above link also lists the 500+ past candidates that are now recognized as exoplanets, some of them found by the wobble method. Pretty decent reference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Miles View Post
    http://planetquest.jpl.nasa.gov/missions/keplerMission.cfm
    The Kepler mission doesn’t use the wobble method. It tracks the light of a star and measures any dimming caused by the transit of a planet. Thus it only tracks planets that are moving on a plane between the Kepler satellite and their star. So its not an exotic formula. The computer tracks photons from thousands of stars and if they dim periodically it must be something like a planet orbiting the star. The above link also lists the 500+ past candidates that are now recognized as exoplanets, some of them found by the wobble method. Pretty decent reference.
    Ah, thanks, I haven't kept up with this for quite a while, and some of the claims by nasa lately have been so bad, I assumed the worst
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    Default Re: Kepler Telescope finds 50 canidate planets which appear to be in the "Habbitable Zone"

    Does anyone know how to read the location map. Is it centered in respect to Earth.

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    My pleasure Phier.

    If you mean the “location of the Kepler planet candidates map” it’s a tiny section of the sky between Cygnus and Lyra (the stars Deneb and Vega). So it is not centered on the Earth. Kepler will eventually check about 100,000 stars in this general region of the sky.

    P.S. I can't get my link to the Kepler Mission to work in my above post, so here it is again.
    http://planetquest.jpl.nasa.gov/miss...lerMission.cfm
    Still a problem. This is the homepage:
    http://planetquest.jpl.nasa.gov/
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    Default Re: Kepler Telescope finds 50 canidate planets which appear to be in the "Habbitable Zone"

    Quote Originally Posted by Logios View Post
    Does anyone know how to read the location map. Is it centered in respect to Earth.
    The "map" shows Kepler's field of view, so what you're looking at is a small portion of the night sky as seen from Earth. Here:


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    Default Re: Kepler Telescope finds 50 canidate planets which appear to be in the "Habbitable Zone"

    One thing that is interesting that for such a small area of space we are searching. We have a possible of 1,500 possibly canadates. We could have Millions, 10 Millions, or even 100 Million of planets in our own galaxy.

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    We have to explore our neighborhoods first. Forget planets outside of the milkyway

    Isn't nasa working on a telescope that makes oxygen on exoplanets visible for our eyes?
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    Default Re: Kepler Telescope finds 50 canidate planets which appear to be in the "Habbitable Zone"

    Quote Originally Posted by Nizam89 View Post
    We have to explore our neighborhoods first. Forget planets outside of the milkyway

    Isn't nasa working on a telescope that makes oxygen on exoplanets visible for our eyes?
    I don't think so yet, but I can check.

    This one is being launched in 2014. It's Hubble's BIG replacement.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Webb_Space_Telescope
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nizam89 View Post
    We have to explore our neighborhoods first. Forget planets outside of the milkyway
    We aren't looking for planets exoplanets the Milky Way. We are looking for exoplanets in the local cluster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holger Danske View Post
    We aren't looking for planets exoplanets the Milky Way. We are looking for exoplanets in the local cluster.
    Woow. So astronomers are able to detect exoplanets in the andromeda galaxy? Impressive!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nizam89 View Post
    Woow. So astronomers are able to detect exoplanets in the andromeda galaxy? Impressive!
    No...

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    It should also be noted that Kepler is only examining star systems within our own milky way galaxy, and of those it can only detect planets which happen to pass between their own star and us, which is a rather rare instance. Considering there around 80 billion galaxies in the observable universe, and kepler has found ~53 "habitable" ones in ~1/400 of the milky way thats a lower bound of ...

    80 Billion x 53 x 400 = 1,696,000 Billion Habitable planets in the Observable Universe.

    That is rather mind blowing.

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    Default Re: Kepler Telescope finds 50 canidate planets which appear to be in the "Habbitable Zone"

    Quote Originally Posted by Sphere View Post
    It should also be noted that Kepler is only examining star systems within our own milky way galaxy, and of those it can only detect planets which happen to pass between their own star and us, which is a rather rare instance. Considering there around 80 billion galaxies in the observable universe, and kepler has found ~53 "habitable" ones in ~1/400 of the milky way thats a lower bound of ...

    80 Billion x 53 x 400 = 1,696,000 Billion Habitable planets in the Observable Universe.

    That is rather mind blowing.
    mmmm was gonna mention that.
    what you mentioned but did not calculate was that of these very small orbit planets there is only a 10% chance they pass in front of the stars so you can comfortably do the above number x 10.
    i see that with the 80 billion you take as a basis you already subtracted the "egg yoke like" center bubble which is to irradiated for life.

    what i'm completely missing in this whole story is the planets with venus , earth or mars like orbits.
    planets we consider in a habitable zone but orbit their stars within this example 220 days + .
    they only show orbits of 0 - 100 days how these could be habitable at all as they claim?? these are planets with mercury like orbits ( 88 days). this is a big mystery to me. only way a say 50 - 100 day orbit planet is habitable is if they are the companions of very cool or small stars indeed.

    anyway the 100 + day planet orbits in a habitable zone are harder to track with a likelihood of passing the star more in the range of 0,5 % instead of a whopping 10% of the close orbit ones. maybe we will get those numbers soon. could very well mean the numbers can be beefed up an other 2 or 3 times.
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    shouldn't it be 400x53 ? (x10) = 212.000 habitable planets in the milkyway ? hope not that would be very rare ..
    wiki i read an estimate of 100 million for our milkyway.
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    Default Re: Kepler Telescope finds 50 canidate planets which appear to be in the "Habbitable Zone"

    Don't forget the historical aspect of this:

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