Question concerning parallel developement of 2.3 and 3.0

**Zippy** · February 01, 2011, 01:27 AM

As I understand, BC 2.3 will be an update for BC 2.2 and WILL NOT require the Kingdoms expansion pack, correct?

On the other hand, BC 3.0 WILL require the Kingdoms expansion pack. Due to this I can have both installed at the same time right? Because they are for two different games?

Also, will development of the original Broken Crescent continue after 2.3?(such as new units, features, etc?)

**Tureuki** · February 01, 2011, 01:44 AM

2.3 will require the Kingdoms.

**wudang_clown** · February 01, 2011, 03:28 AM

As Tureuki says - 2.3 will require Kingdoms.

As for "parallel development" - there is no such thing. 2.3 is a step towards 3.0. That's why it is "BC 2.3" and not "XY 6.12".

It's better to accomplish short terms goals and release results in every few months, instead of going straight for 3.0 and forcing fans to wait, isn't it?

**khamulrulz** · February 01, 2011, 09:21 AM

what correlation do the Seljuks of Hamadan in 2.3 have with the factions in 3.0? I looked at a map of where Hamedan was, and on the preview map of 3.0, it would be in a rebel region south of the Atabegs of Azerbaijan and the Malikate of Mazandaran. I'm not expert at Seljuk history, so could you clarify this please? For example, why is the Seljuk Empire represented in 2.0 but has broken up into Fars, Kerman, Mosul, Azerbaijan, etc in 3.0 - is the time period different?

Also - will the Chauhans be playable by 2.3?

**Khwarezm** · February 01, 2011, 09:43 AM

I hope they decrased the amount of startion regoins of the great seljuks (Mazandaran) so a Georgian campaign won't be near impossible.

**wudang_clown** · February 01, 2011, 10:20 AM

One of the main reasons of introducing Seljuks of Hamadan was to weaken overpowered Great Seljuks of BC 2. Other reason was historical one -there was no unified Seljuk state in 1170's. And other reason is that introducing last (in Persia) Seljuk sultan's struggle to regain former Seljuk power in the region is a very good base to create interesting and challenging starting position.

If it comes to BC3 - Atabegs of Mosul and Azerbaijan and Fars were more or less independent rulers. Seljuks of Kerman recognized Seljuks of Hamadan as their suzerains, so it could be sensible even to join both Seljuks states into one, but territorially divided state. This will be determined in the future, and now I'm just thinking loud... The reason why Seljuks of H. are not on the preview map is that we think it would be better to include a faction further east (so, Seljuks of K.), than to put a faction into already crowded area.

Regarding Chauhans - yes, they will be playable, most likely (I forgot to put it on the list of changes).

Yes - starting regions of Seljuks of H. will be very few (not more than 3), so Georgian campaign should be easier.

**kostas84** · February 01, 2011, 12:50 PM

I dont have Kingdoms.

I hate it when something good requires something which i dont have.

**Khwarezm** · February 01, 2011, 01:07 PM

Than buy it, you will not regret it since almost all mods require kingdoms

**kostas84** · February 01, 2011, 01:15 PM

I dont have money.

**Khwarezm** · February 01, 2011, 02:59 PM

You can still rent it from a very kind sir.
There are also other legal ways to get it, but I advice to buy it.

In the end you will buy the game, trust me

**Zaale** · February 01, 2011, 04:39 PM

Perhaps a little too late but the thing that pissed me off in BC is the Total Absence of a genuine Persian faction. I'm an admirer of the Persian culture over the centuries and all the factions in the Persian lands: seljuks, Gaznavids, Khwarezm are Turkish, tribal guys arrived on the back of a horse.

Waiting anxiously for the Malikate of Mazandaran in 3.0.

Ah by the way, so 2.02 EDU is not compatible with 2.3, introducing a new faction includes new references for the units belonging to this particular faction on the EDU.

**Neige** · February 01, 2011, 04:45 PM

I think it's the same faction,but with changed position and name. It should be compatible IMO.

**wudang_clown** · February 01, 2011, 04:48 PM

How do you think Persians came to Iran?

And EDU - EDU of 2.02 will be compatible with 2.3, because nothing changes in regards to units in 2.3. You will be able to use gamegeek2's EDU or any other units stat modification for 2.02.

**Zaale** · February 01, 2011, 05:42 PM

No, that wasn't my point. What I mean was the absence of a something-like-a-Persian faction on the game. There are somethihg like 4 Turkish factions, 5 with the kypchack. I know there was like this at the time, just making my point. Turkish and Hindus are sooooooo different from my cultural background that I cannot play with them. It's not the "moral choices" the other guy commented on a previous thread (don't give a damn about "moral" choices on a videogame

). It's simply that I cannot focus, don't know really what to do or why.

Two examples: -As the Caliphate my goal is to expand Islam over the world so I always 1) release prisoners (christians, pagans and muslims) and 2) never sacked a city, my reputation is always Immaculate, all factions accept all my requests with consideration -As the Crusaders I fight desperate wars for my survival surrounded by enemies, so I sacked many and many towns and killed lots of prisoners, my reputation is mostly Despicable and when I ask for peace they answer me I don't even worth the spit of a dog, so I go to meet these buddies, and by the way I sack their towns and kill everybody

and so on. I love to insert myself ON the game, kind of immersive experience.

But with Rajputs or Turkish I cannot see

, Don't know really what to do or why. As an example. Why did the Ghaznavids go to India? to do what? conversion of the Hindus? looting? Ghaznavids are an interesting faction to play but being so strange and unknown to me I cannot focus. What in the hell am I trying to build or preserve with my wars???

a culture? an identity? a faith? I'm lost, so I cannot play with them.

That was my point.

**wudang_clown** · February 01, 2011, 06:31 PM

I see. In that case I think you should read something about Ghaznavids or any other faction you don't know much about.

Why Ghaznavids went to India? I assume the reason was the same for all empires expanding into different parts of the world - power, wealth, fame, spreading of Islam, survival on highest possible level, sure, these are all valid points.