Birthers try to ban Obama from the ballot in 2012

[B5C]

The birthers have a plan to end Barack Obama's presidency—and in Arizona, they're making progress.

Last week, Arizona state Rep. Judy Burges, a Republican, introduced a bill that would bar presidential candidates who do not prove they were born in the United States from appearing on the ballot in the Grand Canyon state. And state Rep. Chad Campbell, the top Democrat in the GOP-controlled Arizona House of Representatives, tells Mother Jones that the bill is likely to pass. It was introduced with 25 co-sponsors in the House and 16 co-sponsors in the state Senate; the measure needs 31 votes in the House and 16 in the Senate for approval. "Will it matter?" asks Campbell. "We've started a tradition here of passing legislation that is political grandstanding or that sets up litigation."

But the birthers—those ardent Obama foes who believe the president was not born in Hawaii and, thus, is not constitutionally qualified serve as president—see this measure as more than symbolic. For them, it's part of a well-orchestrated campaign to deny Obama reelection.

It's not that Obama necessarily requires Arizona's 10 electoral votes to win reelection in 2012. In 2008, he lost there to John McCain, Arizona's senior senator (though in 2012, Obama could make a play for the state). More important, Burges' bill—which would establish a strict standard for proving natural-born citizenship (which the birthers presume Obama could not meet)—is a model for other states, and similar efforts are under way in Pennsylvania, Missouri, Montana, Georgia, and Texas. (Obama won Pennsylvania in 2008 and lost Missouri by less than 4,000 votes.) Arizona may be where this birther ball gets rolling.

Here's how it would work: The national political party would submit an affidavit from its presidential candidate in which the candidate states his citizenship, and this affidavit would have to be supported by "documents that prove that the candidate is a natural born citizen." Arizona's secretary of the state would then review the affidavit and supporting documents, and if there were "reasonable cause to believe the candidate does not meet the citizenship" requirement, the secretary of state would be able to keep the candidate off the ballot.

Burges' new version raises the bar. It notes that the affidavit must be accompanied by "an original long form birth certificate that includes the date and place of birth, the names of the hospital and the attending physician and signatures of the witnesses in attendance." (The other documentation required would include a list "that identifies the candidate's places of residence in the United States for the preceding fourteen years.") And the law states that if the candidate fails to submit these records, the secretary of state "shall not" place his or her name on state ballot.
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011...ama-reelection

So basically, this:


Can not be used to be eligible to run for President in Arizona.
Also it calls for the "orginal" form. I don't have my "orginal" I have my copy that I ordered, so to them I can't run in Arizona.

Arizona! Home of kicking out Mexicans, death panels, and anti-Kenyans.

[Rebelyell]

I'm not an Obama support by any means, but that's pretty ridiculous. You can't knock a guy off the ballot just because you don't like him.

[Admiral Piett]

I'm not an Obama support by any means, but that's pretty ridiculous. You can't knock a guy off the ballot just because you don't like him.

What do you mean? That's common practice in the US. Especially if you don't have the financial backing of either the Republican or Democratic party. They love to use any means at their disposal to stay in power and keep others, whether it be redistricting, altering ballot access laws, and getting the media to demonize them.

[motiv-8]

What do you mean? That's common practice in the US. Especially if you don't have the financial backing of either the Republican or Democratic party. They love to use any means at their disposal to stay in power and keep others, whether it be redistricting, altering ballot access laws, and getting the media to demonize them.

You said it, friend. Right on.

[Rebelyell]

What do you mean? That's common practice in the US. Especially if you don't have the financial backing of either the Republican or Democratic party. They love to use any means at their disposal to stay in power and keep others, whether it be redistricting, altering ballot access laws, and getting the media to demonize them.

It's common practice with 3rd party candidates unfortunately but I've never heard of it happening with a Major Party.

[Admiral Piett]

It's common practice with 3rd party candidates unfortunately but I've never heard of it happening with a Major Party.

Oh they try with the lawyers every trick in the book. It doesn't matter what party you are representing.

[Flogger]

Desperation.

[Big War Bird]

Hmm, well then all he has to do is show proof and problem is solved. Shouldn't be a problem if he meets the legal conditions.

[B5C]

Hmm, well then all he has to do is show proof and problem is solved. Shouldn't be a problem if he meets the legal conditions.

What if he can't get the "original?" He has the copy version under state law of Hawaii is a legal birth certificate.

I don't have my original. I have a copy that doesn't have the doctor's names. I was born in the United States in and in 6 years I will be 35.

Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution sets the principal qualifications one must meet to be eligible to the office of president. A president must:
be a natural born citizen of the United States;[27]
be at least thirty-five years old;
have been a permanent resident in the United States for at least fourteen years.

So under the Federal law I will be eligibile to run for President and yet in Arizona I can not?

[Big War Bird]

What if he can't get the "original?" He has the copy version under state law of Hawaii is a legal birth certificate.

You, never know, the Republican might have a similar problem.

I don't have my original. I have a copy that doesn't have the doctor's names. I was born in the United States in and in 6 years I will be 35.

Sucks to be you.

So under the Federal law I will be eligibile to run for President and yet in Arizona I can not?

I doubt this law could survive a Constitutional challenge.

[MrMofo]

Hmm, well then all he has to do is show proof and problem is solved. Shouldn't be a problem if he meets the legal conditions.

lol alright, ludicrous levels at maximum. For now on all your posts are officially ignored.

[Marechal Ney]

Honestly, the birth certificate is NOT the best evidence for disproving the birthers. No competent judge will ever rule with them, but the tirade will continue. To finally disprove them, there is an incredibly simple solution.

Instead of using the brith certificate, use the newspaper from August 5th, 1961! I have seen it shown on camera very briefly, but the newspaper says that the night before in Honolulu Obama's parents had a son. Again, it has been shown before so I know it exists.

[Sphere]

I am fairly sure this law would be in violation of article IV

Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State.

Its unconstitutional for Arizona to set a standard of record when it comes to the records of other states. Whether or not Obama was born in Hawaii is up to Hawaii, not Arizona.

[antaeus]

well that'l show them foreigners who think americans are all stupid rednecks.

[(s)AINT]

well that'l show them foreigners who think americans are all stupid rednecks.

Sadly this is true.

[Kanaric]

Birthers? LOL. Wow. I thought they gave up on that by now.

[Nanny de Bodemloze]

Birthers? LOL. Wow. I thought they gave up on that by now.

Idiocy is never out of fashion.

[Babur]

Birthers? LOL. Wow. I thought they gave up on that by now.

Soon Obama's existence will be deemed unconstitutional

[Iustinianus]

If the news didn't report this nonsense, then there would be no problem.

[motiv-8]

If the news didn't report this nonsense, then there would be no problem.

Except for the fact that the news didn't make up this story, but reported on something that is actually happening in a state legislature...

I don't have a "long-form" birth certificate from California, despite being born in a ing US Navy hospital. Guess Arizonans believe I can't be President, either.

You would thinkk, though, that if Obama was really as defeated and inept and terrible as conservatives keep saying, they wouldn't even have to bother with something so pathetically sophomoric.