The Byzantine Problem

[Théoric HämmerHörde]

The Byzantine Faction is waaay over powered. Like they take up half the map in every campainge. Weren't they a dying empire with obsolete warfare methods? It's ridiculous that all these peasent militas with leather and scale armour and primative spears and hatchets are a match for the steel legions of knights that western europe uses in the late period. there needs to be some serious editing.

[newt]

Here we go again...
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...80#post8864680

[recentiy03]

It's funny, I've only played 2 6.4 campaigns, Aragon and Crusader* States, but they've gone extinct really quickly in both...100% without my doing.

[Forever Steadfast]

At the beginning of the game they still field an extremely disciplined, advanced army. It isn't until later that their army will be outdated. I think this has been brought up before, and many SS folk said that later in the game you'll begin to notice their decline. I haven't really dabbled much with the later campaign, so I don't know personally.


Edit: Nevermind - Newt got to it first.

[DemonLord]

yeah true in teh late era campaign the byzantine roster starts to show its ''age'' when most units start to get more advanced with heavier and better in the west and east . Still they are formidable oppoments. Makes up for a ''survival'' question for your faction

[Théoric HämmerHörde]

but by that point they take up all of eastern europe and asia minor and have become such an economic powerhouse

[recentiy03]

Is it only an early campaign problem? Both of my campaigns have been late era.

[Erunion Telcontar]

This is a simple thread, for which there is a simple answer. Byzantines rock until 1350 (they should!). After 1350 the Byzzies are OK. After 1450 the Byzantines are up against the ropes.

The Byzantines should start out as one of the most powerful factions, if not as the most powerful faction. However, they had many powerful enemies to the east, who were able to keep them busy (preventing expansion) then eventually overcome them.
If the Byzantines are able to defeat the East, they should be a superpower. If they are not able to defeat the East, they die. If they get locked in a stalemate with the East, then they will slowly become outdated until they are no longer to face their more advanced foes.

[newt]

gracul ai, early campaign. I had nothing to do with this, it was an all-AI hotseat.
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...73#post8864473

[Gnostiko]

gracul ai, early campaign. I had nothing to do with this, it was an all-AI hotseat.
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...73#post8864473

That's....kinda freaky!

Have yet to see a game where the Arabs don't reach powerhouse status.

[recentiy03]

That's....kinda freaky!

Have yet to see a game where the Arabs don't reach powerhouse status.

Really? I linked my CS campaign in one thread...there are no Muslim factions left

Edit - Actually, it looks like the Moors still have Marrakesh and a few surrounding provinces...but it is a far cry from domination.

[Ferdiad]

They're kinda hard until you get some 1300+ units, then they suffer.

[RabidSheepLegion]

their generals are the killers, nuff said

[Théoric HämmerHörde]

i think the problem is that theres this mentallity that mtwII is a sequal to roman total war. so they make they byzantines way too strong for their little "neo roman empire" canpaings

[King-Morgoth]

Byzantines steamroll the turks and hungarians by turn 100 in all my campaigns, no matter what I do, even if I fund hungary or the turks its just delaying the inevitable, and guys, by the time you get 1300+ units the Byzantines are a giant blob and it doesnt matter how good your troops are, because you will just be buried beneath a mountain of Byzantine corpses.

[Marcvs Antonivs]

Oh no not again...

[Théoric HämmerHörde]

not what? the same thread on byzantine issues? well hey, as long as people keep closing them...

[soulson]

There must be a dozen threads on this already...

[Marcvs Antonivs]

There must be a dozen threads on this already...

the infamous threads which got closed

[OneArmedScissor]

Byzantines get owned late game. period.