Question to atheists (I am not in need of a fight)

[Matterhorn]

Hello atheists and agnostics. I want to know how Christianity has totally ticked you off. I have not once heard of any other religion being attacked as viciously or as commonly as Christianity. My friend tried to use an argument saying that the Hinduism is a better religion. I have never heard a sarcastic story of Mohammad touching boys in their sleep or Buddha lying to get wine.

Atheists could argue that Christianity is a just a corrupt religion with leaders hell-bent on conquering the world. But the thing is you cannot judge the religion by the acts if the people. Yes I know more people have been killed in the name of God then of atheism but those were the acts of men. Christianity teaches peace, the pope taught war. The pope is not the voice of the religion. Christ is.

This was not meant to be an attack to atheism because I have realized I cannot do well on these forums. We are outnumbered and I don't have any allies I can call into play. We as Christians do not have the man power and the force to hit a dent. I really would like to know if Christianity has angered you in some way or if it has please don't hate all Christians. Attack our logic, but don't attack us. Some of my best friends are atheists and we can tolerate each others ways of thinking. Why can't you?

Once again I am in no mood for an argument, I really just want an answer. Thank you atheists if you answer and please I want a mature answer, not a useless war of evolutionary/creationist arguments. Because I believe that no self-respecting Christians will give up God because of your arguments, just like I don't believe Christians have done well on these forums converting atheists. If I were to give up God it would be because of my own thinking, not because you said I was wrong as a creationist. Thanks.

[goro]

i was an orthodox christian because of course as every child you are brainwashed to believe in god from small age.as soon as i took the initiative started asking questions and wandered about jesus and other stuff became an atheist.my father being one helped on that direction.what makes me got problem with christian is the prejudice most christians have especially order people against atheists to the point that you dont dare say in public you are one because people will think of you as a bad person who is anti social and other stuff.also the catholics in general and their beliefs of the pope and other stuff piss me off.they got too much power and power in religious people is dangerous.generally i have problem with people who get too personal and fanatic about their belief in their god.one last thing.i get angry at christians because when i ask them about basic stuff about their religion they reply with completely stupid reasons such as god is infinite.the human mind cant comprehend that and such

[Matterhorn]

i was an orthodox christian because of course as every child you are brainwashed to believe in god from small age.as soon as i took the initiative started asking questions and wandered about jesus and other stuff became an atheist.my father being one helped on that direction.what makes me got problem with christian is the prejudice most christians have especially order people against atheists to the point that you dont dare say in public you are one because people will think of you as a bad person who is anti social and other stuff.also the catholics in general and their beliefs of the pope and other stuff piss me off.they got too much power and power in religious people is dangerous.generally i have problem with people who get too personal and fanatic about their belief in their god.one last thing.i get angry at christians because when i ask them about basic stuff about their religion they reply with completely stupid reasons such as god is infinite.the human mind cant comprehend that and such

First off, thank you goro for not attacking me. I appreciate that and I respect it. You are right that Children are kinda brainwashed. But at age...18 for a reference.... People need to sit down and decide weather to be an atheist or a religion person. I followed the path of near-atheism until about 2 years ago when I just had some sort of a spiritual realization. People should choose, not have their choice made for them. Because if you are told you are a Christian and you don't really think much of it, then you might as well be atheist because your faith is not whole-hearted. That's why I really can't stand Christians who never go to church of even think of God...at all. That is where I was until I made my choice.

[Gaidin]

Re: OP.

Ummm...what?

[Claudius Gothicus]

I think Christian values are quite admirable, yet primitive... and they do need some ''rational'' refining...

But when I criticize religion I generally go for the backwardness that's to be found in any of them and not in just one of the religious expressions. Radical Islam and Evangelical Christianism are a personal favorite though.

I can for one testify that when I joined the Draw Mohamed Day Facebook page I received threats from some guy in Pakistan... trolling him was soooo fun.

[Sphere]

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I won't apologize for trying to beat religion into a intellectual corner. What we in the west have been able to do to Christianity, the peoples of the middle-east, North Africa and Southern Asia need to do to Islam. That is marginalize and shackle it down so democratic and secular society can flourish. Islam needs to be taken to a place were it neither has, nor claims temporal authority, not to write laws, not to make legal judgements, not to dictate social norms etc.

People who claim to know the mind and will of God want power in the here and now, and this must be denied them, whatever creed they profess.

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I do have a problem with the popular movement in the west to restore the Dhali Lama to power in Tibet. Its advocating theocracy which is abhorrent. You can demand civil and religious liberty for Tibetans without having to put a infallible Man-God in charge. Indeed I think the two are mutually exclusive.

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This is the sort of thing that needs a lot of revision/mental gymnastics/selectivity to fit into a modern version of morality

Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and forsake them in beds apart, and beat them.

Quran 4:34, "Women,"

In what context does that not mean that God has given men authority over women, and that disobedient women should be beaten? If this is the revealed truth of God, how can you punish a wife beater? Can you honestly say that the Koran would be less moral if this passage had been left out?

We can get into this game if you want, but you are picking a losing battle if you are going to try and defend these texts as divine. On almost every page they are so blatantly laced with the primitive moral ideas of the human beings that wrote them that it is not possible to defend their contents without betraying the idea's of liberty, equality and morality our modern world has been able to produce. Indeed, I would trust any random person on the street to be able to edit the Koran/Torah/Bible/etc to make them into far more moral documents, and I really do want to know if you don't believe the same.

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To be quite frank, the moral codes of the bronze age Jews, Roman Judea and Medieval Arabia are incompatible with modern society, hence the intense efforts of moderate religion to get away from literal interpretations and fundementalist practices, while promoting selective reading of the texts. This undertaking has been done not because there is some mandate in the texts but rather because it is necissary for the survivial of the religion. But this still leaves the rats in the sewers, as the texts still say what they say, and where still written by comparibly barbaric people in barbaric times. Even most believers have to admit that almost the entirety of religous texts are false, written by men and for men, even if still they cling to the authority of the texts of their own specific faith.

[goro]

yeah well christian messages(love for other people) and that kind of things i admire but they are not what christians try to promote.they use religion mostly as a way to control people's behaviour life and generally control the mass.thats why i despise religions of any type.most of them were created to fullfill a purpose.either make people fanatic either to make them peaceful in order to improve public order.people should sit down and think.especially catholics.you see pope as some kind of gods ambassador on earth when he is just a human.you call him holy father(only used for god) and many other exaggerations.its really pathetic from non catholic view

[Gordon Freynman]

Christianity doesn't tick me off, some Christians do though, those with an undeserved sense of superiority and general bigotry towards all other religions/philosophies.

[Helm]

Most other religions are just cultural or philosophical creations, Christianity and Islam present themselves as the ultimate truth without any evidence and with some kind of threat involved you not believe in it yourself.

[(s)AINT]

Most other religions are just cultural or philosophical creations, Christianity and Islam present themselves as the ultimate truth without any evidence and with some kind of threat involved you not believe in it yourself.

This.

Judaism doesn't even come close to Islam and Christianity. Sorry to say.

The short answer why I became an atheist is a simple one: Freedom! When your a christian, you have all these annoying rules: Don't get vengeance, don't swear, don't lust for someone else's fortune. And when I was a christian I really obeyed those rules, but one day I thought: "Wait...Why can't I decide whats good and whats wrong?" And so here I am.

While saying that I'm an atheist doesn't mean that i don't believe in God entirely, you can say it like this: I am 95% atheist and 5% God.

My story is similar to yours. But 5% god? When I think of God I think of George Orwell's 1984's Big Brother. I also think of Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il. You must love someone who you are also suppose to fear and who must be phrased every day.

How anyone can wish to have God in their lives is beyond me. It is the definition of the totalitarian principles.

[The Dude]

Hello atheists and agnostics. I want to know how Christianity has totally ticked you off. I have not once heard of any other religion being attacked as viciously or as commonly as Christianity. My friend tried to use an argument saying that the Hinduism is a better religion. I have never heard a sarcastic story of Mohammad touching boys in their sleep or Buddha lying to get wine.

Well, Mohammed has frequently been called a pedophiliac barbarian or something equivalent on these forums, so the hate is there. But the reason christianity gets attacked most often is because most atheists here are from christian countries and are therefore first and foremost focused on being against christianity.

This was not meant to be an attack to atheism because I have realized I cannot do well on these forums. We are outnumbered and I don't have any allies I can call into play. We as Christians do not have the man power and the force to hit a dent. I really would like to know if Christianity has angered you in some way or if it has please don't hate all Christians. Attack our logic, but don't attack us. Some of my best friends are atheists and we can tolerate each others ways of thinking. Why can't you?

There is nothing to dent, there are no factions here. First off, you do have "allies" if you look around. Squiggle, SigniferOne, basics, Caledonian, Carpathian Wolf and some other folk I'm sure. But the mistake you're making is thinking of atheists as a unified faction like christian protestants or catholics. Not so, atheists have nothing necessarily in common with one another. I will agree on matters of atheism (most of the time) with folks like Tankbuster and Strelok, but Strelok's political ideology for example has little to do with what I believe and so there we greatly differ. There's no unifying factor. You can see how this is true because there's no unifying factor for a theist either: belief in god doesn't necessarily make you have anything to do with each other. Only for a religious man is there a sense of unity with others of the same religion. But there are no religions under atheism, like there are religions under theism.

[HansDuet]

I don't have any special disgust against christianity.

They're all pretty much the same.

[thatguy]

Hello atheists and agnostics. I want to know how Christianity has totally ticked you off. I have not once heard of any other religion being attacked as viciously or as commonly as Christianity. My friend tried to use an argument saying that the Hinduism is a better religion. I have never heard a sarcastic story of Mohammad touching boys in their sleep or Buddha lying to get wine.

Atheists could argue that Christianity is a just a corrupt religion with leaders hell-bent on conquering the world. But the thing is you cannot judge the religion by the acts if the people. Yes I know more people have been killed in the name of God then of atheism but those were the acts of men. Christianity teaches peace, the pope taught war. The pope is not the voice of the religion. Christ is.

This was not meant to be an attack to atheism because I have realized I cannot do well on these forums. We are outnumbered and I don't have any allies I can call into play. We as Christians do not have the man power and the force to hit a dent. I really would like to know if Christianity has angered you in some way or if it has please don't hate all Christians. Attack our logic, but don't attack us. Some of my best friends are atheists and we can tolerate each others ways of thinking. Why can't you?

Once again I am in no mood for an argument, I really just want an answer. Thank you atheists if you answer and please I want a mature answer, not a useless war of evolutionary/creationist arguments. Because I believe that no self-respecting Christians will give up God because of your arguments, just like I don't believe Christians have done well on these forums converting atheists. If I were to give up God it would be because of my own thinking, not because you said I was wrong as a creationist. Thanks.

Well dude, I think the answer actually lies within yourpost.

I don't believe Christians have done well on these forums converting atheist

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You see, I am agnostic, and i have no problem, at all, in anyway, with Christians or any other religion (Fanataics and Zealots discluded) with the soul exception of cults such as Scientology and Mormanism (if it is true, and they do believe black people are black because they are descended from thsoe who did not agree with god in his space empire, or whatever, but then its the religion, not always the people).
I have no issue with people having faith in a god, I think it can also be a good thing, plenty of religions support charities. What I think most people have a problem with, and Its something I have a problem with, is people shoving the religon down your throat.
Put it like this, religion should not be taught at schools, kids should be taught ABOUT religionS but not taught to believe in them. Take for example, my country, Australia, and state Queensland. Over here, in primary school, you have to take the relgion classes. They have some for people who are christian and catholic. Sometimes more if theres more religions in the school. You have to attend, the only way to get out of it is if your parent writes you a note, or informs the school that they do not want you participating. Thats wrong, its called indoctriantion and brainwashing, because the child has no choice, they are going to believe in the religion, not from any inner spiritual reasons, but merely because they where taught it is real in a school. Parents should teach a child themselves, or atleast have a local man of the clergy do so.

Another thing is the "Shoving it down our throats" liek I mentioned earlier. No, I don't want you knocking on my door asking to be saved. Its annoying and rude, if I wanted to be saved, if I was seeking salvation or a spiritual awakening, I would come to the church. We all know what a church looks like, and most of anyone knows where the local one is.

Now, thats not actuaklly saying it much, the only problem is with fanatics and zealots, there are plenty of religious folk who are kind, or atleast, understand faith to be more personal, or, they simply do not wish to intrude on other peoples beleifs. Fanataics don't, they're s, and they try and make you feel bad.

But, I can't speak for everyone, but the reason I think people have a problem when anyone tries to convert, or tries to push that their religion is "Truth". Its also horribly offensive, because if we are not "Saved" or "converted" or follow the ways of God, we go to Hell. THink about that, think about what it really means when you say "If you don't follow my ways, you go to hell".
Hell.
A place of eternal darkness and damnation, eternal pain and suffering, all for the SOUL reason, of not exercising the one thing that your (by your, I actually mean anyone who says go to hell, or tries to push their faith upon anyone) god gave us: Free will. Its not Free Will if our options are "Worship me, or ing die horribly, and suffer forever". There are also fallacies, such as those that "God has a paln for us all" and yet hell exists.
This doesn't apply to all Christians, some don't believe in hell, but, as I am sure you agree, its the vocal minority, that creates the stereotype.....Not all muslims are terrorists..for example.

[Jack04]

I am not "ticked off" by Christianity (or any religion), I just have grave reservations about the making of any important decisions without a grounding in evidence.

[Tankbuster]

Can we please hear a little less about how persecuted, oppressed and hated Christians feel?

You are the world's largest religion.
You hardly get criticised at all; in fact most media sources explicitly avoid the subject of religion altogether.
You are the religion which has influenced and continues to influence human civilisation most of all.
Most atheists live in Christian countries and so Christianity is the religion we are most familiar with and of which we can see the influence most.

You're honestly surprised that you're going to get more criticism than most other religions?
That being said, I'd argue that Islam gets criticised a lot more than Christianity, probably for good reason.

[Logios]

I am definitely ticked off by christianity, I am no atheist though and I am not sure my beliefs fit the agnostic label. Mostly i do side with the atheists in these discussions. I worship specifically the norse Gods, and believe in God as the total sum of all that is devine (also all the parts of God that I don't worship).
What ticks me off by christianity are the concepts of good vs. evil and the idea of The Devil. As I see it all people are good, and since God is everything there is no room in the universe for anything else. The Devil is IMO just what people (especially christians) say about parts of God that they cannot recognize as God.
What I critizice is core material in christianity - no christian factions does not recognize these concepts, therefore I critizice the belief rather than the believers.
And furthermore I believe that God is much beyond gender and ruling class titles.
Hope this was a useful answer to the OP.

[Manco]

It's funny how his non-attack against atheism IS a full blown attack on Catholicism.

[cenkiss]

Hello atheists and agnostics. I want to know how Christianity has totally ticked you off. I have not once heard of any other religion being attacked as viciously or as commonly as Christianity. My friend tried to use an argument saying that the Hinduism is a better religion. I have never heard a sarcastic story of Mohammad touching boys in their sleep or Buddha lying to get wine.

Atheists could argue that Christianity is a just a corrupt religion with leaders hell-bent on conquering the world. But the thing is you cannot judge the religion by the acts if the people. Yes I know more people have been killed in the name of God then of atheism but those were the acts of men. Christianity teaches peace, the pope taught war. The pope is not the voice of the religion. Christ is.

This was not meant to be an attack to atheism because I have realized I cannot do well on these forums. We are outnumbered and I don't have any allies I can call into play. We as Christians do not have the man power and the force to hit a dent. I really would like to know if Christianity has angered you in some way or if it has please don't hate all Christians. Attack our logic, but don't attack us. Some of my best friends are atheists and we can tolerate each others ways of thinking. Why can't you?

Once again I am in no mood for an argument, I really just want an answer. Thank you atheists if you answer and please I want a mature answer, not a useless war of evolutionary/creationist arguments. Because I believe that no self-respecting Christians will give up God because of your arguments, just like I don't believe Christians have done well on these forums converting atheists. If I were to give up God it would be because of my own thinking, not because you said I was wrong as a creationist. Thanks.

If you believe that christianity is the only one that is bashed you must have not met many turkish atheists.You may find stories about aisha and muhammed.

And christianity never ticked me off,because i was never one.

[Théoric HämmerHörde]

cause abrahamic religions were made up on purpose. there morals are twisted and sick

[justicar5]

Hello atheists and agnostics. I want to know how Christianity has totally ticked you off. I have not once heard of any other religion being attacked as viciously or as commonly as Christianity. My friend tried to use an argument saying that the Hinduism is a better religion. I have never heard a sarcastic story of Mohammad touching boys in their sleep or Buddha lying to get wine.

Atheists could argue that Christianity is a just a corrupt religion with leaders hell-bent on conquering the world. But the thing is you cannot judge the religion by the acts if the people. Yes I know more people have been killed in the name of God then of atheism but those were the acts of men. Christianity teaches peace, the pope taught war. The pope is not the voice of the religion. Christ is.

This was not meant to be an attack to atheism because I have realized I cannot do well on these forums. We are outnumbered and I don't have any allies I can call into play. We as Christians do not have the man power and the force to hit a dent. I really would like to know if Christianity has angered you in some way or if it has please don't hate all Christians. Attack our logic, but don't attack us. Some of my best friends are atheists and we can tolerate each others ways of thinking. Why can't you?

Once again I am in no mood for an argument, I really just want an answer. Thank you atheists if you answer and please I want a mature answer, not a useless war of evolutionary/creationist arguments. Because I believe that no self-respecting Christians will give up God because of your arguments, just like I don't believe Christians have done well on these forums converting atheists. If I were to give up God it would be because of my own thinking, not because you said I was wrong as a creationist. Thanks.

at least in my case it is the doiminant religion in my country and I used to be a christian, so am far more familiar with it to criticise than I am with say Jainism.