Something I rarely see touched on here.

[Axeman]

Whenever we get into a debate about economics ranging from Lassiez-Farre to Communism everyone usually agrees on some sort of middle ground, but usually lean in one direction or another. While I do not support the following movements, I think it might be interesting to have discussions on them:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syndicalism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guild_Socialism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_democracy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_socialism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_socialism

I think TWC needs to expand its pallete of economic discussions, instead of yelling, "BLAH BLAH BLAH NAZIS BLAH BLAH BLAH COMMUNISTS BLAH BLAH BLAH BANKERS".

[Fionn son of Cumhaill]

(Your forgetting Objectivism)

[43rdFoot]

(Your forgetting Objectivism)

Only apathetic 18 year olds and sad old people are Objectivists.

[motiv-8]

Only apathetic 18 year olds and sad old people are Objectivists.

Best post on this entire forum page.

Please back up your assertions... These broad statements are just too... Broad to counter without points to debate upon.

I do believe you would be hard pressed, if at all able, to find a serious economist or political philosopher that takes Objectivism seriously. It's just not academically backed.

[Justice and Mercy]

I do believe you would be hard pressed, if at all able, to find a serious economist or political philosopher that takes Objectivism seriously. It's just not academically backed.

There are a few, but that's beside the point entirely.

Think for yourself.

[motiv-8]

There are a few, but that's beside the point entirely.

Such as?

Think for yourself.

You realize that this statement phrased as an imperative is completely self-contradicting right? But that's beside the point entirely.

Anti-intellectualism is stupid.

[Rolling Thunder]

(Your forgetting Objectivism)

That is not a valid economic theory.

[Fionn son of Cumhaill]

Only apathetic 18 year olds and sad old people are Objectivists.

That is not a valid economic theory.

Please back up your assertions... These broad statements are just too... Broad to counter without points to debate upon.

If i say money is nice and shiny can you debate upon that?

And this abstract philosophical and economical school of thought is in any way lesser than socialism? No offence axeman but i have a bellyfull of them in college and i just see it as idiots who want something for free, i.e. my rolex when they don't even understand the very cause they champion, or just plain weird...

[Viking Prince]

It has shades of Libertarianism within the Rand economic philosophy. It is at least as much of an economic theory as the list provided in the first post. Whether I would count the initial list as a list of economic theories is another question though. But the list is of movements and not theories. Ayn Rand concepts are clearly a movement.

[Dr. Croccer]

The problem with technocracy is that it would be hard to find a good common ground between the various professions the technocrats would hail from. A doctor would obviously be far less inclined to cut on healthcare than a rocket scientist, who would not have space research touched on his turn.

Syndicalism is interesting because it proposes what is effectively a confederacy of democratic governments of the means of production, but once again I doubt it would work in the largely post-industrial, individualistic world in the West. And again conflicting interests would make government rather difficult.

[Captain Blackadder]

Your forgetting Third Way economics which is the most logical of the none capitalist none Communist ideologies which can be summed up as this

"Too much capitalism does not mean too many capitalists, but too few capitalists."

[Amorphos]

to op

Some of us try…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syndicalism

Is similar too…. Or what I derived the theory from…

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=422306

Problem is you would need to write a book to explain it properly, but as this is a forum one shortenes it to a few paragraphs, and some people who havent studied the other models don’t get it, or they refute it out of hand.

I am glad others are thinking about it tho

[Admiral Piett]

Whenever we get into a debate about economics ranging from Lassiez-Farre to Communism everyone usually agrees on some sort of middle ground, but usually lean in one direction or another. While I do not support the following movements, I think it might be interesting to have discussions on them:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syndicalism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guild_Socialism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_democracy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_socialism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_socialism

I think TWC needs to expand its pallete of economic discussions, instead of yelling, "BLAH BLAH BLAH NAZIS BLAH BLAH BLAH COMMUNISTS BLAH BLAH BLAH BANKERS".

So what do you yourself think of these movements? Just for the sake of boosting discussion.

[Admiral Piett]

Indeed, objectivism from the very base of itself utilizes 'sensing' the world as a philosophy rather than utilizing rational intuition. I don't see any place for it in the modern world.

I always thought that Libertarian Party's clinging to such ideals has always been what devalidates itself from being taken seriously in the game. The libertarian movement needs to moderate itself and utilize some more sense of the state of the world rather than cling like ideologues to a certain philosophy without questioning its function. If the Party did move more towards economic rationalism I would join it in a heartbeat, but I can't accept something that's borderline anarcho-capitalist.

[Theseus1234]

Technocracy doesn't really seem to be a bad idea in theory, but there will a helluva lot of issues in reality.

[C-Rob]

"Too much capitalism does not mean too many capitalists, but too few capitalists."

Sounds great, and the Third Way just from the Wikipedia article on it(with the India in parenthesis on the disambiguation page) sounds exactly what I believe the world needs. Focusing on Education, Ecology, Economics(I"m going to add, "of the Real World"), and ethics(in all things, but especially in finance and business), all need to be taken into account to make a fundamental shift from what we have now- a ragged, finicky, unsustainable boom/bust economy prone to civil strife, to a much better system where there is an educated public that doesn't waste resources, that doesn't buy stock in such a way that it leads to mania, panic, then bust, and finally, an ethical world of business that doesn't allow or is very punitive to the people who ruin lives with their abhorrent actions.

Really, of them all, this makes the most sense though I would like to take what i think is best of all the above and create something that works like a charm. It could be very possible.

[Saturn]

Everyone on TWC needs to quit acting like they know what the hell they are talking about.

[C-Rob]

Everyone on TWC needs to quit acting like they know what the hell they are talking about.

Thanks for the blunt way of putting the underlying problem...

[Denny Crane!]

Third way economics is what has led to welfare dependants, a broadening income equality, the constant mergers and acquisitions and rise of giant corporations, subsidies and special interests and evil policies like the Common Agricultural Policy, the domination of the poor countries by the USA/EU/IMF/WBank and many more evil things and finally we are in the end game as the economies weaken and begin either a collapse or slow decline.

So I hope no one is touting our current model as a success, it made quite a few people more wealthy but it is more than a little bit evil (if evil could be defined yadayada)

As to the OP - there has been a lot of discussion of alternative economic theories. TLeary has discussed mutualism, syndicallism has come up quite frequently and other more obscure ones do not come up because they are so obscure.

[Fionn son of Cumhaill]

Goddamn you Justice and Mercy! I wanted this battle

Motiv-8 can you actually give us a brief synopsis of what you believe the tenets of Objectivism are? I really dont wanna interrupt your hissy fight