Palestinians protesting against jews moving into jaffa

[MaccabiFanatic]

Yesterday there was a big demonstration in jaffa commited by local jaffa arabs and some jewish radical left groups. they were protesting against the growing number of jews moving to jaffa who they now called settlers.
Jaffa is of course a mixed city in the centre of israel,they are protesting because their neibourhoods are becoming more jewish and they want to 'save' or lets say 'protect' their neibourhoods and keep them arab

a few weeks ago,there were protest in south tel aviv in poor jewish neibourhoods against the growing number of illegal immigrants,refugees and most of all arabs who are moving into the jewish neibourhoods and turning them muslim.
dont you think the palestinians are being hypocrits?
from one side,every one were against the jews protesting against muslims taking over their neibourhoods and they were called facists/racists and so on,but now the muslims are doing the very same thing

so an arab can live in a mixed city,but if a jew moves to jaffa (a mixed city) hes a settler.

Here are some videos from the protest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkCO7...ayer_embedded#
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0y3o...layer_embedded

They were many slogans like allah akbar,no to apartheid and "we will save jaffa with our blood"...and of course they were protesting against jews and they said this protest is anti racism and war.

[Treize]

I agree with TS. (Opening Poster)

[Sir Pignans]

So Jews are complaining that muslims are moving into their neighbourhoods(Whcih is legal)? And at the same time moving into the West bank via settelers (Which is illegal)? Which they've been doing since 1967?

Stinks of hypocrisy to me.

[Fionn son of Cumhaill]

Of course they are gonna protest when more of there land is being stolen. They are people not bloody animals so at least try to see em as that ,ok? It's not that hard now is it?

[MaccabiFanatic]

Of course they are gonna protest when more of there land is being stolen. They are people not bloody animals so at least try to see em as that ,ok? It's not that hard now is it?

more land being stolen? and you speak of me posting propaganda?
the only thing i have posted are arab posted videos from the protest!
how is their land being stolen FFS?
the houses are bought legaly from arabs,not stolen,not taken by force. LEGALY. jaffa is like any other city in israel,if they dont want to sell houses to jews then they shouldnt do it. but if they do so,they have no right,absolutly NO right to critisize jews from other cities for not selling THEIR apartments to arabs! THAT is hypocricity. 1 week ago and they were shouting about racism when jews didnt sell apartments to arabs in JEWISH cities,JEWISH neibourhoods. now they are doing the same thing but in MIXED cities and already mixed neibourhoods.
and the most pathetic thing of all,they are carrying signs saying " no to APARTHEID IN JAFFA"
what aparthaid? in jaffa? i mean come on,THAT is pure propganda. from one side they dont want aparthaid and thats cool,but from the other hand,by their own protest and what they are trying to achieve is complete apartheid since they want to keep the arab neibourhoods for arabs and keep jews out!.

and no matter what i say,or basicly any other israeli member here,you say we post propganda and all that bs. p a t h e t i c

[Fionn son of Cumhaill]

more land being stolen? and you speak of me posting propaganda?
the only thing i have posted are arab posted videos from the protest!
how is their land being stolen FFS?
the houses are bought legaly from arabs,not stolen,not taken by force. LEGALY. jaffa is like any other city in israel,if they dont want to sell houses to jews then they shouldnt do it. but if they do so,they have no right,absolutly NO right to critisize jews from other cities for not selling THEIR apartments to arabs! THAT is hypocricity. 1 week ago and they were shouting about racism when jews didnt sell apartments to arabs in JEWISH cities,JEWISH neibourhoods. now they are doing the same thing but in MIXED cities and already mixed neibourhoods.
and the most pathetic thing of all,they are carrying signs saying " no to APARTHEID IN JAFFA"
what aparthaid? in jaffa? i mean come on,THAT is pure propganda. from one side they dont want aparthaid and thats cool,but from the other hand,by their own protest and what they are trying to achieve is complete apartheid since they want to keep the arab neibourhoods for arabs and keep jews out!.

and no matter what i say,or basicly any other israeli member here,you say we post propganda and all that bs. p a t h e t i c

IT IS PATHETIC THAT YOU WRITE THIS BILE OR EVEN BELIEVE IT AND THERE IS NO "JEWISH CITIES" COS ITS PALESTINIAN LAND...

YOUR FLAGRANT USE OF CAPS LOCK MAKES MY HEAD HURT

[MaccabiFanatic]

IT IS PATHETIC THAT YOU WRITE THIS BILE OR EVEN BELIEVE IT AND THERE IS NO "JEWISH CITIES" COS ITS PALESTINIAN LAND...

YOUR FLAGRANT USE OF CAPS LOCK MAKES MY HEAD HURT

there are no jewish cities? this is a jewish country weather you like it or not. this is a jewish country and if they dont like it they can go themselfs and move to palestinian territory,gaza,or the ocean.
(and when i said 'them' i was talking about those protesting against jews living in jaffa and not against all the pals)

[Treize]

It's not Palestinian land. It's Israel.

Which was ofcourse founded by land stealing foreigners

[MaccabiFanatic]

Which was ofcourse founded by land stealing foreigners

just to remind you that israel was created legaly,approved by the UN.
well if you see it as land stealing then its your problem i guess
the palestinians had no authority or power over the land,they did not own it,they had no country,nothing.
the brits owned it,decided to give half to us and half to them,un approved with the pertition agreement,we voted for it,they didnt.we got our country and they didnt. they attacked,we won. simple as that.

btw speaking of colonies and all that..correct me if im wrong..but holland also colonized some places all over the world?

(here we go again..........)

[boofhead]

THERE IS NO "JEWISH CITIES" COS ITS PALESTINIAN LAND KIDDO...

It's not Palestinian land. It's Israel.

[Fionn son of Cumhaill]

It's not Palestinian land. It's Israel.

Seriously?

[PointOfViewGun]

Yesterday there was a big demonstration in jaffa commited by local jaffa arabs and some jewish radical left groups. they were protesting against the growing number of jews moving to jaffa who they now called settlers.
Jaffa is of course a mixed city in the centre of israel,they are protesting because their neibourhoods are becoming more jewish and they want to 'save' or lets say 'protect' their neibourhoods and keep them arab

a few weeks ago,there were protest in south tel aviv in poor jewish neibourhoods against the growing number of illegal immigrants,refugees and most of all arabs who are moving into the jewish neibourhoods and turning them muslim.
dont you think the palestinians are being hypocrits?
from one side,every one were against the jews protesting against muslims taking over their neibourhoods and they were called facists/racists and so on,but now the muslims are doing the very same thing

so an arab can live in a mixed city,but if a jew moves to jaffa (a mixed city) hes a settler.

Here are some videos from the protest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkCO7...ayer_embedded#
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0y3o...layer_embedded

They were many slogans like allah akbar,no to apartheid and "we will save jaffa with our blood"...and of course they were protesting against jews and they said this protest is anti racism and war.

Is it made easier for a Jew to move to Jaffa but much harder for an Arab to move to somewhere in Israel?
It's already quite possible to say that there is bias against Arabs while Jews are more free as Israelis deny the right of return to Arabs. As long as that issue is not resolved it's quite hypocritical to criticize any Arab protest against Jewification of the land.

[MaccabiFanatic]

Is it made easier for a Jew to move to Jaffa but much harder for an Arab to move to somewhere in Israel?
It's already quite possible to say that there is bias against Arabs while Jews are more free as Israelis deny the right of return to Arabs. As long as that issue is not resolved it's quite hypocritical to criticize any Arab protest against Jewification of the land.

But the right of return will never be given to them due to many reasons..the main reason is that the state of israel wont survive. it will not be israel anymore,it will be palestine=destruction of israel.
the arabs need to move on,just as we jews from arab countries know that we will never return to our property and houses in arab countries,they need ot move on as well.

an israeli arab can live basicly where ever he wants if he can afford it..you dont see signs saying "NO ARABS"..there are many arabs in tel aviv,ramle,lod,haifa,jerusalem,bat yam...jaffa and many other places
but in most cases arabs live in their own villages who grow from day to day..villages that 60 years ago had a few houses are now huge in size and number...an arab can build a huge villa in a village without paying 20% of what he should have paid for a "normal" LEGAL house in the big city or just a small suberb (hope i spelled it right) city..
and another question,do you see jews living in arab villages? do you? the answer is very clear.no.
if a jew will move to an arab village he will be called a settler who wants to take over the land even if the house AND land is bought legaly.just like in jaffa.

[PointOfViewGun]

But the right of return will never be given to them due to many reasons..the main reason is that the state of israel wont survive. it will not be israel anymore,it will be palestine=destruction of israel.
the arabs need to move on,just as we jews from arab countries know that we will never return to our property and houses in arab countries,they need ot move on as well.

an israeli arab can live basicly where ever he wants if he can afford it..you dont see signs saying "NO ARABS"..there are many arabs in tel aviv,ramle,lod,haifa,jerusalem,bat yam...jaffa and many other places
but in most cases arabs live in their own villages who grow from day to day..villages that 60 years ago had a few houses are now huge in size and number...an arab can build a huge villa in a village without paying 20% of what he should have paid for a "normal" LEGAL house in the big city or just a small suberb (hope i spelled it right) city..
and another question,do you see jews living in arab villages? do you? the answer is very clear.no.
if a jew will move to an arab village he will be called a settler who wants to take over the land even if the house AND land is bought legaly.just like in jaffa.

It's utterly stupid to justify the denial of right of return for its inconvenience for Israel. It's quite the proof of how Israel expanded beyond Jewish settlements. I don't think the amount of displaced Jews from Arab countries is even comparable to the amount of Palestinians displaced from Palestine.

On paper it might be true that Arabs have the same rights as Jews but reality can be very different. Aren't there many organizations that fund and help Jews to settle on such locations while the same organizations deny any service to Arabs?

The question of seeing a Jew in an Arab village is rather a stupid question to ask. It makes no point. If the property bought or taken by the Jews is not taken from an Arab forcefully then fine. He can surely move to that town with no bad-faith.

As I said as long as the right of return is denied to Palestinians and the settlements in the West Bank continues it's quite hypocritical to criticize any Arab protest against Jewification of the land.

[MaccabiFanatic]

It's utterly stupid to justify the denial of right of return for its inconvenience for Israel. It's quite the proof of how Israel expanded beyond Jewish settlements. I don't think the amount of displaced Jews from Arab countries is even comparable to the amount of Palestinians displaced from Palestine.

On paper it might be true that Arabs have the same rights as Jews but reality can be very different. Aren't there many organizations that fund and help Jews to settle on such locations while the same organizations deny any service to Arabs?

The question of seeing a Jew in an Arab village is rather a stupid question to ask. It makes no point. If the property bought or taken by the Jews is not taken from an Arab forcefully then fine. He can surely move to that town with no bad-faith.

As I said as long as the right of return is denied to Palestinians and the settlements in the West Bank continues it's quite hypocritical to criticize any Arab protest against Jewification of the land.

WHY would we give them the right of return as a jewish country? i mean come on,try to look at it from our side and not from yours,if we give them the right of return it means the country of 7 milion will become 14 in a tiny land,with a jewish minority,the country would literly collapse in every aspect. it is not realistic..
lol you are right,its not comparble,because more jews were kicked out than arabs. about 800,000,the property and land owned by the jews altogether was bigger than the state of israel...

i dont know of any orgnizations
as far as i know an arab can live where ever he wants if the house is bought legaly and all that.
its not only on paper,you speak of reality even though we dont share the same reality...israeli arabs can live where ever they want.

i dont see it hypocritical at all. i did not say i support the settlements. most jews dont,where is the hypocry?
jewfication of the land? they live in a jewish country,so thats rather stupid!
they get money from the goverment,water and electricity,but if a jew moves to jaffa than he is a settler? so why isnt an arab in tel aviv considerd a settler? you see what i mean...
lets just face it,they dont want jews in 'their' neibourhoods..thats all. no need to make up fancy excuses to cover them up,its plain and simple
jewishfication in a jewish country!

I know.


It is.


They lived there since forever though, which is the only thing that matters.


Did they?


Did they?


They proposed it, the two parties had to agree on it.

they didnt live there since forever and i have already explained it to you in another thread. the palestinian identity is made up out of many nations throughout the middle east,pretty close to the jewish nation but the difference is that many of them had no real connection to this land. so they did not live there for ever. infact alot of 'palestinians' migrated to this land in the last 200-300 years under the ottoman rule....

the 2 parties didnt have to agree on it,we were offerd something so we accepted it. the other side had no claim over it or power over it,so it does not matter if they agree or not because it is not theirs.the brits controled and ruled the land,there for it is rightfuly theirs,occupied,but still theirs..

[PointOfViewGun]

WHY would we give them the right of return as a jewish country? i mean come on,try to look at it from our side and not from yours,if we give them the right of return it means the country of 7 milion will become 14 in a tiny land,with a jewish minority,the country would literly collapse in every aspect. it is not realistic..
lol you are right,its not comparble,because more jews were kicked out than arabs. about 800,000,the property and land owned by the jews altogether was bigger than the state of israel...

i dont know of any orgnizations
as far as i know an arab can live where ever he wants if the house is bought legaly and all that.
its not only on paper,you speak of reality even though we dont share the same reality...israeli arabs can live where ever they want.

i dont see it hypocritical at all. i did not say i support the settlements. most jews dont,where is the hypocry?
jewfication of the land? they live in a jewish country,so thats rather stupid!
they get money from the goverment,water and electricity,but if a jew moves to jaffa than he is a settler? so why isnt an arab in tel aviv considerd a settler? you see what i mean...
lets just face it,they dont want jews in 'their' neibourhoods..thats all. no need to make up fancy excuses to cover them up,its plain and simple
jewishfication in a jewish country!

You do realize how stupid to say that? It's like I steal a million dollars from you and say "Come on. Why should I pay it back? I need the money." We don't have to give a jack about how much power the Jews lose in Israel. There is no legitimate reason to.

There is a difference between choosing to leave a country and leaving that country at gun point. Surely, those Jews that left their country of origin at gun point should pursue their right of return. Jews not pursuing this right doesn't mean that Palestinians can't too. As you're using a collective number that spans a number of years a collective number for Palestinians would be over a million people. What's funny is that Israel has a right of return law for Jews that don't even have any connection lands Israel holds but denies the right of return of Arabs that were living there.

Of course you wouldn't see it as hypocritical. You'd of course use a UN resolution to point out how legal Israel is but simply ignore tons of other resolutions including one that gives the right of return to Arabs. The hypocrisy is visible pretty much on all fronts. Just because the Israeli constitution claims the land to be a Jewish country doesn't make it Jewish. Is Arabs trying to turn Israel into an exclusively Jewish controlled state? No. So it was also stupid to ask if an Arab living in Tel Aviv makes him a settler.

To make sense of your post we'd need to accept the hysterical Israeli point of view which is quite funny when you read it.

they didnt live there since forever and i have already explained it to you in another thread. the palestinian identity is made up out of many nations throughout the middle east,pretty close to the jewish nation but the difference is that many of them had no real connection to this land. so they did not live there for ever. infact alot of 'palestinians' migrated to this land in the last 200-300 years under the ottoman rule....

As if all of the Israelis have been living there for centuries. Isn't almost 60% of Israelis are actually European Jews that hardly have any connection to Israeli lands going back more than the creation of Israel?

[Border Patrol]

You've got some demons to fight, kid. You're an American. You bleed Red, White, and Blue.

Please understand that while you are living in a foreign country you need to behave as one would expect an ambassador from the United States to act.

[PointOfViewGun]

You've got some demons to fight, kid. You're an American. You bleed Red, White, and Blue.

Please understand that while you are living in a foreign country you need to behave as one would expect an ambassador from the United States to act.

Sorry. Common logic doesn't work that way.

[ash874]

Sorry. Common logic doesn't work that way.

yeah you tell him. tell him that the muslims his country is accepting have no intention of integrating and changing thenselves to become american. they have every intention though of forcing america to change itself to be more like the holes they left behind.

and just so that i wont be accused of being off topic
palestinians complain too much

[Heinz Guderian]

yeah you tell him. tell him that the muslims his country is accepting have no intention of integrating and changing thenselves to become american. they have every intention though of forcing america to change itself to be more like the holes they left behind.

and just so that i wont be accused of being off topic
palestinians complain too much

^seems like jews complain too much too