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    Default "Ever wonder why atheists don't have great songs?"

    A quote I heard from some American Christian pastor. I dunno what he meant by that because unlike a belief with an actual subject matter like say God or Jesus there isn't anything specific in regard to atheism itself to sing about at all, it's just a non-belief. But iyo would these great songs be close enough to count?


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2YlbiyiuMc

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVuNs...eature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rygfi...eature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBM-E...eature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhoXW...eature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-FKE...eature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q-Oz...eature=related

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    Default Re: "Ever wonder why atheists don't have great songs?"

    The question is, why doesn't non-specific logic driven thought inspire great songs.



    Its really a silly question.
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    Default Re: "Ever wonder why atheists don't have great songs?"

    Atheism is not a non-specific logic driven ideology. But this is a non-topic really, there are a lot of good religious songs and there are a lot of extremely unreligious secular songs, this has been so since music was invented. It doesn't make any difference, musicians can be inspired by anything, and if religion plays a big part in their lives then they will probably sing about it. Its cultural rather than ideological.
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    Just two off the top of my head from Rush that could suit:

    Faithless
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    I've got my own moral compass to steer by
    A guiding star beats a spirit in the sky
    And all the preaching voices -
    Empty vessels of dreams so loud
    As they move among the crowd
    Fools and thieves are well disguised
    In the temple and market place

    Like a stone in the river
    Against the floods of spring
    I will quietly resist

    Like the willows in the wind
    Or the cliffs along the ocean
    I will quietly resist

    I don't have faith in faith
    I don't believe in belief
    You can call me faithless
    I still cling to hope
    And I believe in love
    And that's faith enough for me

    I've got my own spirit level for balance
    To tell if my choice is leaning up or down
    And all the shouting voices
    Try to throw me off my course
    Some by sermon, some by force
    Fools and thieves are dangerous
    In the temple and market place

    Like a forest bows to winter
    Beneath the deep white silence
    I will quietly resist

    Like a flower in the desert
    That only blooms at night
    I will quietly resist

    Freewill
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    There are those who think
    That life has nothing left to chance
    A host of holy horrors
    To direct our aimless dance

    A planet of playthings
    We dance on the strings of powers we cannot perceive
    The stars aren't aligned or the gods are malign
    Blame is better to give than receive

    You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice
    If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice
    You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill
    I will choose a path that's clear, I will choose freewill

    There are those who think
    That they were dealt a losing hand
    The cards were stacked against them
    They weren't born in Lotus Land

    All preordained, a prisoner in chains
    A victim of venomous fate
    Kicked in the face, you can pray for a place
    In heaven's unearthly estate

    You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice
    If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice
    You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill
    I will choose a path that's clear, I will choose freewill

    Each of us, a cell of awareness
    Imperfect and incomplete
    Genetic blends with uncertain ends
    On a fortune hunt that's far too fleet

    You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice
    If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice
    You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill
    I will choose a path that's clear, I will choose freewill


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    Default Re: "Ever wonder why atheists don't have great songs?"

    Quote Originally Posted by Copperknickers II View Post
    Atheism is not a non-specific logic driven ideology.
    Ideology is the wrong word, conclusion would be better.
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    Default Re: "Ever wonder why atheists don't have great songs?"

    What about John Lennon's Imagine?

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    Default Re: "Ever wonder why atheists don't have great songs?"

    Any song that's not identifiably theist is non-theist. Take your pick, there's plenty of great stuff to choose from. Like, pretty much the entire Northern Songs catalog.

    Antitheist tunes may be a bit harder to come by, Dear God is probably one of the best anti-theist pop songs. I think Sinead O'Connor got into a bit of trouble for criticising the Pope a while back.

    Or you can go to the old Wobblies and some stuff by Joe Hill.

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    Default Re: "Ever wonder why atheists don't have great songs?"

    Quote Originally Posted by chriscase View Post
    Any song that's not identifiably theist is non-theist. Take your pick, there's plenty of great stuff to choose from. Like, pretty much the entire Northern Songs catalog.

    Antitheist tunes may be a bit harder to come by, Dear God is probably one of the best anti-theist pop songs. I think Sinead O'Connor got into a bit of trouble for criticising the Pope a while back.

    Or you can go to the old Wobblies and some stuff by Joe Hill.
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    Default Re: "Ever wonder why atheists don't have great songs?"

    Why are religious comedians crap and not funny?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helm View Post
    A quote I heard from some American Christian pastor. I dunno what he meant by that because unlike a belief with an actual subject matter like say God or Jesus there isn't anything specific in regard to atheism itself to sing about at all, it's just a non-belief. But iyo would these great songs be close enough to count?


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2YlbiyiuMc

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVuNs...eature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rygfi...eature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBM-E...eature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhoXW...eature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-FKE...eature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q-Oz...eature=related

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    Why are those all Soviet Songs? Are you saying that the Soviet Union symbolizes atheism?

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    Default Re: "Ever wonder why atheists don't have great songs?"

    Oasis
    The Beatles
    Queen
    Pink Floyd
    Rolling Stones
    Coldplay

    Greatest bands, Greatest Songs , Atheist.

    Im unsure about , Blur , The Kinks , Led zeppelin and other great bands but im sure alot of them are atheist too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yezhov View Post
    Why are those all Soviet Songs? Are you saying that the Soviet Union symbolizes atheism?
    No but these songs do demonstrate that a complete lack of religious or spritual belief doesn't automatically cripple the human ability to create blood stiring music, so this is about as close as you're going get to atheist songs. Though perhaps these songs would still count as "spiritual" depending on how you want to define it, say they're feeling spiritual over Mother Russia rather than God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizav85 View Post
    Why are religious comedians crap and not funny?
    No; pro-religious comedians are crap and not funny. There are plenty of religious comedians who are very funny and simply don't bring up their personal faiths.
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    Default Re: "Ever wonder why atheists don't have great songs?"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists_(music)

    He doesn't seem to appear on the list anyway.

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    Default Re: "Ever wonder why atheists don't have great songs?"

    More attempts to shore up your faith Helm or just an enquiry?

    Ludicrous thought that there isn't good atheist music. This list is off the top of my head but there are a lot more:

    Gershwin
    Metallica
    Oasis
    Lennon
    Rollins
    Shostakovich
    Strauss
    Richard Thomas

    And you know most English people, pretty much anyone from the last 20 years you can include in this because I've never read about any country that is as atheist and ambivalent to religion than England.

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    Faith seems like believeing in something you want to believe to be true is true regardless of whether it's actually true or not, it's not something I can really get the hang of. I think it's easier to go about life as normal do the best you can here while you can, die at some point in future, hopefully at decent age, and then you'll find yourself in the swirling temporal vortex of metaphysical soul energy within the greater psychic overmind of the universe or whatever funky goes on. I don't really think it matters tbh.

    Pop music isn't really atheist or religious it doesn't have any affliation with either regardless of the band members beliefs. So Soviet Music is about as close as you're ever going to get to great songs that have anything at all to do with atheism.
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    I cant think of any great religious songs? But I can think of many atheist ones across many genre’s from the sex pistols to kraftwerk, many brilliant songs in the whole punk movement and others.

    often people may use religious terminology in their songs though that doesnt mean they believe in it, though obviously some do.
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    Default Re: "Ever wonder why atheists don't have great songs?"

    I think there's something about originality that defies traditional establishments like religion. I would think there's far more non-religious than religious songs and almost as many outright and purposely sinful songs.

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    I was reading that list of atheists in music article and laughed when I read that Yip Harburg was on there.

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