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    nd was not only a schlock novelist, she was also the progenitor of a sweeping “moral philosophy” that justifies the privilege of the wealthy and demonizes not only the slothful, undeserving poor but the lackluster middle-classes as well.

    Her books provided wide-ranging parables of "parasites," "looters" and "moochers" using the levers of government to steal the fruits of her heroes' labor. In the real world, however, Rand herself received Social Security payments and Medicare benefits under the name of Ann O'Connor (her husband was Frank O'Connor).

    As Michael Ford of Xavier University's Center for the Study of the American Dream wrote, “In the end, Miss Rand was a hypocrite but she could never be faulted for failing to act in her own self-interest.”
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    Her ideas about government intervention in some idealized pristine marketplace serve as the basis for so much of the conservative rhetoric we see today. “The reason I got involved in public service, by and large, if I had to credit one thinker, one person, it would be Ayn Rand,” said Paul Ryan, the GOP's young budget star at a D.C. event honoring the author. On another occasion, he proclaimed, “Rand makes the best case for the morality of democratic capitalism.”

    “Morally and economically,” wrote Rand in a 1972 newsletter, “the welfare state creates an ever accelerating downward pull.”

    Journalist Patia Stephens wrote of Rand:

    [She] called altruism a “basic evil” and referred to those who perpetuate the system of taxation and redistribution as “looters” and “moochers.” She wrote in her book “The Virtue of Selfishness” that accepting any government controls is “delivering oneself into gradual enslavement.”

    Rand also believed that the scientific consensus on the dangers of tobacco was a hoax. By 1974, the two-pack-a-day smoker, then 69, required surgery for lung cancer. And it was at that moment of vulnerability that she succumbed to the lure of collectivism.

    Evva Joan Pryor, who had been a social worker in New York in the 1970s, was interviewed in 1998 by Scott McConnell, who was then the director of communications for the Ayn Rand Institute. In his book, 100 Voices: An Oral History of Ayn Rand, McConnell basically portrays Rand as first standing on principle, but then being mugged by reality. Stephens points to this exchange between McConnell and Pryor.

    “She was coming to a point in her life where she was going to receive the very thing she didn’t like, which was Medicare and Social Security,” Pryor told McConnell. “I remember telling her that this was going to be difficult. For me to do my job she had to recognize that there were exceptions to her theory. So that started our political discussions. From there on – with gusto – we argued all the time.

    The initial argument was on greed,” Pryor continued. “She had to see that there was such a thing as greed in this world. Doctors could cost an awful lot more money than books earn, and she could be totally wiped out by medical bills if she didn’t watch it. Since she had worked her entire life, and had paid into Social Security, she had a right to it. She didn’t feel that an individual should take help.”

    Rand had paid into the system, so why not take the benefits? It's true, but according to Stephens, some of Rand's fellow travelers remained true to their principles.

    Rand is one of three women the Cato Institute calls founders of American libertarianism. The other two, Rose Wilder Lane and Isabel “Pat” Paterson, both rejected Social Security benefits on principle. Lane, with whom Rand corresponded for several years, once quit an editorial job in order to avoid paying Social Security taxes. The Cato Institute says Lane considered Social Security a “Ponzi fraud” and “told friends that it would be immoral of her to take part in a system that would predictably collapse so catastrophically.” Lane died in 1968. Paterson would end up dying a pauper. Rand went a different way.

    But at least she put up a fight before succumbing to the imperatives of the real world – one in which people get sick, and old, and many who are perfectly decent and hardworking don't end up being independently wealthy.

    The degree to which Ayn Rand has become a touchstone for the modern conservative movement is striking. She was a sexual libertine, and, according to writer Mark Ames, she modeled her heroic characters on one of the most despicable sociopaths of her time. Ames’ conclusion is important for understanding today’s political economy. “Whenever you hear politicians or Tea Partiers dividing up the world between ‘producers’ and ‘collectivism,’” he wrote, “just know that those ideas and words more likely than not are derived from the deranged mind of a serial-killer groupie....And when you see them taking their razor blades to the last remaining programs protecting the middle class from total abject destitution—Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid—and bragging about how they are slashing these programs for ‘moral’ reasons, just remember Rand’s morality and who inspired her.”

    Now we know that Rand was also just as hypocritical as the Tea Party freshman who railed against “government health care” to get elected and then whined that he had to wait a month before getting his own Cadillac plan courtesy of the taxpayers.

    But, as I note in my book, The Fifteen Biggest Lies About the Economy, that's par for the course. A central rule of the U.S. political economy is that people are attracted to the idea of “limited government” in the abstract—and certainly don’t want the government intruding in their homes—but they really, really like living in a society with adequately funded public services.

    That's just as true for an icon of modern conservatism as it is for a poor mother getting public health care for her kids.

    I don't fault her for using the system in a way it was intended, or for acting in her own "self-interest" but the woman was a hypocrite. I wish the Cato institute and Tea Party would stop worshiping her.
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    It is easy to glorify a person that everyone does not know, because then they can just say "no, you don´t get it"...

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    lol, this really made me laugh. Imagine the dissapointment and butthurt of millions of her teen worshippers... +rep man
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    A capitalist who doesn't turn down free money? What a shock.

    Truth is, she would be an even bigger hypocrite if she just sent all those checks back to the government.



    This thread sort of falls flat due to lack of critical thinking.

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    I've always found it annoying that a Jewish woman who owed her entire education and career to luck propogated laissez-faire capitalism. Had she been born a decade or two earlier or later she would've been lucky to survive and have a job that didn't involve manual labour.
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    Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.





    Quote Originally Posted by H.L Spieghel
    Is het niet hogelijk te verwonderen, en een recht beklaaglijke zaak, Heren, dat alhoewel onze algemene Dietse taal een onvermengde, sierlijke en verstandelijke spraak is, die zich ook zo wijd als enige talen des werelds verspreidt, en die in haar bevang veel rijken, vorstendommen en landen bevat, welke dagelijks zeer veel kloeke en hooggeleerde verstanden uitleveren, dat ze nochtans zo zwakkelijk opgeholpen en zo weinig met geleerdheid verrijkt en versiert wordt, tot een jammerlijk hinder en nadeel des volks?
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    Governments have been established to aid society to overcome the obstacles which impede its march. Their forms have been varied according to the problems they have been called to cure, and according to character of the people they have ruled over. Their task never has been, and never will be easy, because the two contrary elements, of which our existence and the nature of society is composed, demand the employment of different means. In view of our divine essence, we need only liberty and work; in view of our mortal nature, we need for our direction a guide and a support. A government is not then, as a distinguished economist has said, a necessary ulcer; it is rather the beneficent motive power of all social organisation.


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    I'm no fan of Ayn Rand, but the government steals from you anyway, so might as well take some of that money back. In fact people should take as much money from the government as possible while contributing as little as possible. Starve the beast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy Leary View Post
    I'm no fan of Ayn Rand, but the government steals from you anyway, so might as well take some of that money back. In fact people should take as much money from the government as possible while contributing as little as possible. Starve the beast.
    But isn't she "stealing" from some other tax-payer? I mean if she and others like her wouldn't take the money, the budget would shrink next year, hence the tax-burden.

    Alsway wondered about this "two-step thinking" among Libertarians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy Leary View Post
    I'm no fan of Ayn Rand, but the government steals from you anyway, so might as well take some of that money back. In fact people should take as much money from the government as possible while contributing as little as possible. Starve the beast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy Leary View Post
    I'm no fan of Ayn Rand, but the government steals from you anyway, so might as well take some of that money back. In fact people should take as much money from the government as possible while contributing as little as possible. Starve the beast.
    "Starving the beast" won't be a possible solution until the government stops raising the debt ceiling. Until then, the less money it gets the more it borrows, and the more it pays for interest leaving less for other spending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stark of Winterfell View Post
    "Starving the beast" won't be a possible solution until the government stops raising the debt ceiling. Until then, the less money it gets the more it borrows, and the more it pays for interest leaving less for other spending.
    They can't raise it forever, the world is catching on. We're already starving it. Eventually the whole system will come crashing down.

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    Yeah Greece had great success in starving off their own state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy Leary View Post
    I'm no fan of Ayn Rand, but the government steals from you anyway, so might as well take some of that money back. In fact people should take as much money from the government as possible while contributing as little as possible. Starve the beast.
    But by the logic of Libertarians that's stealing other people's tax money. That's just one gigantic robbery of eachother.
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    Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.





    Quote Originally Posted by H.L Spieghel
    Is het niet hogelijk te verwonderen, en een recht beklaaglijke zaak, Heren, dat alhoewel onze algemene Dietse taal een onvermengde, sierlijke en verstandelijke spraak is, die zich ook zo wijd als enige talen des werelds verspreidt, en die in haar bevang veel rijken, vorstendommen en landen bevat, welke dagelijks zeer veel kloeke en hooggeleerde verstanden uitleveren, dat ze nochtans zo zwakkelijk opgeholpen en zo weinig met geleerdheid verrijkt en versiert wordt, tot een jammerlijk hinder en nadeel des volks?
    Quote Originally Posted by Miel Cools
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen,
    Oud ben maar nog niet verrot.
    Zoals oude bomen zingen,
    Voor Jan Lul of voor hun god.
    Ook een oude boom wil reizen,
    Bij een bries of bij een storm.
    Zelfs al zit zijn kruin vol luizen,
    Zelfs al zit zijn voet vol worm.
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen.

    Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
    A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
    Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
    Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,
    Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,
    'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jörg Friedrich
    When do I stop being a justified warrior? When I've killed a million bad civilians? When I've killed three million bad civilians? According to a warsimulation by the Pentagon in 1953 the entire area of Russia would've been reduced to ruins with 60 million casualties. All bad Russians. 60 million bad guys. By how many million ''bad'' casualties do I stop being a knight of justice? Isn't that the question those knights must ask themselves? If there's no-one left, and I remain as the only just one,

    Then I'm God.
    Quote Originally Posted by Louis Napoleon III, Des Idees Napoleoniennes
    Governments have been established to aid society to overcome the obstacles which impede its march. Their forms have been varied according to the problems they have been called to cure, and according to character of the people they have ruled over. Their task never has been, and never will be easy, because the two contrary elements, of which our existence and the nature of society is composed, demand the employment of different means. In view of our divine essence, we need only liberty and work; in view of our mortal nature, we need for our direction a guide and a support. A government is not then, as a distinguished economist has said, a necessary ulcer; it is rather the beneficent motive power of all social organisation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgang Held
    I walked into those baracks [of Buchenwald concentrationcamp], in which there were people on the three-layered bunkbeds. But only their eyes were alive. Emaciated, skinny figures, nothing more but skin and bones. One thinks that they are dead, because they did not move. Only the eyes. I started to cry. And then one of the prisoners came, stood by me for a while, put a hand on my shoulder and said to me, something that I will never forget: ''Tränen sind denn nicht genug, mein Junge,
    Tränen sind denn nicht genug.''

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Croccer View Post
    But by the logic of Libertarians that's stealing other people's tax money. That's just one gigantic robbery of eachother.
    The state is going to tax you anyway. I'd rather it be spent on social services than the warmachine it would fund instead.

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    She spoke a fine judgement on herself when she condemned people who received social security aids.
    She is exactly that type of hypocrite liberal-conservative (whatever since these two is so much confused today) whom I loath the most.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ★Bandiera Rossa☭ View Post
    I don't fault her for using the system in a way it was intended, or for acting in her own "self-interest" but the woman was a hypocrite.
    Nothing hypocritical about getting your money back, bud.

    EDIT: She wrote on the subject more than once.
    The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State. - James Madison

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justice and Mercy View Post
    Nothing hypocritical about getting your money back, bud.
    .
    It is when you pretend your entire life that it's theft and that using it is stealing other people's hard earned money. I'm not sure why that logic applies to some people but when Rand does it it's suddenly okay. If that's the case, why whine about universal healthcare and such anyway? Make full use of it and reclaim your money if that's your perogative.
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    Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.





    Quote Originally Posted by H.L Spieghel
    Is het niet hogelijk te verwonderen, en een recht beklaaglijke zaak, Heren, dat alhoewel onze algemene Dietse taal een onvermengde, sierlijke en verstandelijke spraak is, die zich ook zo wijd als enige talen des werelds verspreidt, en die in haar bevang veel rijken, vorstendommen en landen bevat, welke dagelijks zeer veel kloeke en hooggeleerde verstanden uitleveren, dat ze nochtans zo zwakkelijk opgeholpen en zo weinig met geleerdheid verrijkt en versiert wordt, tot een jammerlijk hinder en nadeel des volks?
    Quote Originally Posted by Miel Cools
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen,
    Oud ben maar nog niet verrot.
    Zoals oude bomen zingen,
    Voor Jan Lul of voor hun god.
    Ook een oude boom wil reizen,
    Bij een bries of bij een storm.
    Zelfs al zit zijn kruin vol luizen,
    Zelfs al zit zijn voet vol worm.
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen.

    Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
    A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
    Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
    Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,
    Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,
    'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jörg Friedrich
    When do I stop being a justified warrior? When I've killed a million bad civilians? When I've killed three million bad civilians? According to a warsimulation by the Pentagon in 1953 the entire area of Russia would've been reduced to ruins with 60 million casualties. All bad Russians. 60 million bad guys. By how many million ''bad'' casualties do I stop being a knight of justice? Isn't that the question those knights must ask themselves? If there's no-one left, and I remain as the only just one,

    Then I'm God.
    Quote Originally Posted by Louis Napoleon III, Des Idees Napoleoniennes
    Governments have been established to aid society to overcome the obstacles which impede its march. Their forms have been varied according to the problems they have been called to cure, and according to character of the people they have ruled over. Their task never has been, and never will be easy, because the two contrary elements, of which our existence and the nature of society is composed, demand the employment of different means. In view of our divine essence, we need only liberty and work; in view of our mortal nature, we need for our direction a guide and a support. A government is not then, as a distinguished economist has said, a necessary ulcer; it is rather the beneficent motive power of all social organisation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgang Held
    I walked into those baracks [of Buchenwald concentrationcamp], in which there were people on the three-layered bunkbeds. But only their eyes were alive. Emaciated, skinny figures, nothing more but skin and bones. One thinks that they are dead, because they did not move. Only the eyes. I started to cry. And then one of the prisoners came, stood by me for a while, put a hand on my shoulder and said to me, something that I will never forget: ''Tränen sind denn nicht genug, mein Junge,
    Tränen sind denn nicht genug.''

    Jajem ssoref is m'n korew
    E goochem mit e wenk, e nar mit e shtomp
    Wer niks is, hot kawsones

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Croccer View Post
    It is when you pretend your entire life that it's theft and that using it is stealing other people's hard earned money. I'm not sure why that logic applies to some people but when Rand does it it's suddenly okay. If that's the case, why whine about universal healthcare and such anyway? Make full use of it and reclaim your money if that's your perogative.
    Perphaps you can't tell the difference between using what you never paid for (though others have), and using what you've been forced to overpay for?

    Yeah. That must be it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorn777 View Post
    I dunno, maybe because those millions on millions needing it ATM feel the same way like you about their entitlements, many of those never thinking they'd ever get in that situation. You want to take it away from them. You're wanting to steal from them, but you'd use it yourself given the chance.

    To me it just bottles down to plain selfishness, forget the moral arguments.
    He's going to "steal" from them by not paying money for a service he doesn't plan on using (if he could)?

    Oh man, that's one hell of a pretzel.
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    If you want a feel good story about why Capitalism for all its evils is good read "The Pursuit of Happiness." He got bullied, beaten, and buggered, knocked down time after time with next to no role models and he went from a homeless single father to a multimillionaire. Anyone can achieve in America if they are willing to trying.

    If a man is hanging onto a ledge and you help him up you've robbed him the opportunity to pull himself up and made him owe you everything that follows. People have to hit rock bottom and pull themselves back up. If you cushion their fall will they try to pull themselves back up? Failure is the ultimate motivator.

    Certainly it's better to fight and lose than to have never fought at all.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Justice and Mercy View Post


    There's a difference between motivating yourself to do better financially and finding yourself hanging over a ledge.

    You cannot succeed without some hardship. You need to start in the trough before you can ascend the peak. It's like the market: Buy Low and Sell High.

    As Ayn Rand would say: Success is the ultimate motivator.

    Yes but apparently she was a woman and I don't know how I feel about taking advice from women...

    Or we just get where we're going faster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Col. Tartleton View Post
    If you want a feel good story about why Capitalism for all its evils is good read "The Pursuit of Happiness." He got bullied, beaten, and buggered, knocked down time after time with next to no role models and he went from a homeless single father to a multimillionaire. Anyone can achieve in America if they are willing to trying.

    If a man is hanging onto a ledge and you help him up you've robbed him the opportunity to pull himself up and made him owe you everything that follows. People have to hit rock bottom and pull themselves back up. If you cushion their fall will they try to pull themselves back up? Failure is the ultimate motivator.

    Certainly it's better to fight and lose than to have never fought at all.


    If we do not have obstacles in our path we will step off the path and find some. It's human nature. It's what makes us tick.
    Not anyone can ahieve success in America if they are willing and trying. Study after study shows that if you are born into a rich family, you are far, far, far more likely to die rich than a poor person.

    There is less social mobility in the US than in many European "socialist" nations.

    The gap between the rich and the poor in the US is worse than in the kleptocracy of Russia.

    And Ayn Rand was a selfish, hypocritical idiot. All the excuses on here are hilarious. If she believed that social security was evil, she should have rejected it out of principle, like others of her stripe did. All that happened instead is that she proved why we have social security and medicare. Unseen things happen, or people make poor personal decisions (like smoking for years and actually believing tobacco companies, wow, Rand was even stupider than I thought), and in your later years it's nice to have been setting aside money so you don't put a huge strain on society. Without SS, Rand would have put a strain on society, in which case I guess she would have crawled in a ditch to leave herself to die, as she had become what she hated.

    If she was so damn responsible and awesome, she wouldn't need SS or medicare, even having paid into it.

    All the social darwinists on here make me laugh.

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