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    Default 40 helpful tips for an anti-communist

    I found these not so long ago, and it was quite interesting to realize that many posters here use same logic:

    1. Constantly insist that Marxism is discredited, outdated, and totally dead and buried. Then proceed to build a lucrative career on beating that supposedly ‘dead’ horse for the rest of your working life.

    2. Remember, any unnatural death that occurs under a ‘Communist’ regime is not only attributable to the leaders of the state, but also Marxism as an ideology. Ignore deaths that occur for the same reason in non-Communist states.

    3. Communism or Marxism is whatever you want it to be. Feel free to label countries, movements, and regimes as ‘Communist’ regardless of things like actual goals, stated ideology, diplomatic relations, economic policy, or property relations.

    4. If there was a conflict involving Communists, the conflict and all ensuing deaths can be laid at the feet of Communism. Be careful when applying this to WWII. Fascist movements who fought against the Soviets or Communist partisans are fine, but try not to openly praise Nazi Germany. Save that for private conversations if you must do so.

    5. You decide what Marxism “really means”, and who the rightful representatives of Communism were. Feign interest that Trotsky was somehow robbed of power by Stalin, despite the fact that you hate him as well.

    6. Constantly talk about George Orwell. Quote from Animal Farm or 1984. Do not worry about the fact that Orwell never set foot in the Soviet Union and both of those books are novels.

    7. Quote massive death tolls without regards to demographics or consistency. 3 million famine deaths? 7 million? 10 million? 100 million deaths total? You need not worry about anyone checking your work, which is good for you seeing that you probably haven’t done any.

    8. Everyone ever arrested under a Communist regime was most likely innocent of any crime. Communists only arrested harmless poets and political prophets who had a beautiful message to share with the world.

    9. Everything Stalin did or didn’t do had some sinister ulterior motive. Everything.

    10. Keeping with the spirit of #9, remember that Stalin was an omnipotent being, perhaps an incarnation of the Hindu deity Vishnu, who had full awareness of everything going on in the Soviet Union and total control over every occurrence which took place between 1924 and 1953. Everything that occurred during that time was the will of Stalin. Stalin knew the exact details of every criminal case that took place during that era and out of his boundless cruelty, had tons of innocent people shot for no reason regardless of where they were or their position in life. Being omnipotent, he was not dependent on information passed up from tens of thousands of subordinates.

    11. Constantly attack ‘Communist’ regimes for actions that occur in capitalist regimes up to this very day.

    12. Claim that Marxism is utopian because of its description of a possible future society. Alternately claim that Marxism failed because it never gave a detailed description of how a Communist society would look. Do not pay attention to the massive contradiction here.

    13. Start referring to Marxism as being some kind of religious faith, Messianic, or whatever other spiritualist you can come up with. When people point out that you can draw similarities between virtually any political ideology and other religions, ignore them.

    14. Remember the one-two anti-Communist attack: Attack the post-Stalin system on economic grounds, and claim it just doesn’t work. Since an informed opponent will most likely point out that actual socialist economics did indeed work during the Stalin era, and in fact worked very well, attack that era on human rights grounds.

    15. Two words – Human nature. What is human nature? For your purposes, human nature is a quick explanation why political ideas or systems you don’t like are wrong.

    16. Bolshevik revolutions were carried out with violence and bloodshed. Bourgeois revolutions were all carried out by democratic referendums, and there was no violence whatsoever.

    17. Use words like ‘freedom’ and ‘democracy’ constantly. Do not accept any challenge to define these terms.

    18. Communists can be for or against whatever is popular in your particular area. If you are preaching to a right-wing crowd, Communists are for degeneration and homosexuality. If you are preaching to a more mainstream audience, Communists were homophobic. Essentially, Communists are for moral degeneration and puritanical prudery at the same time. Again, do not notice the contradiction.

    19. Constantly flog Stalin over the Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement, while totally ignoring massive support and collaboration with Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and Imperial Japan on the part of America, Britain, and France, long before the war and even after in some ways. As usual, do not allow your opponent to examine the context of the non-aggression pact.

    20. Praise the newfound “freedom” of Eastern Europe. Ignore the massive depopulation via migration, plunging birthrates, huge alcohol and drug problems, political instability, civil wars, ethnic cleansing, sex trafficking and child prostitution, organized crime, high suicide rates, unemployment, disease, etc. Who cares about all that when you have freedom of speech?!

    21. Constantly talk about the culture of fear in Communist nations, about that ‘knock on the door’ in the middle of the night. Ignore the ‘kick in your door in the middle of the night, stick a shotgun in your back, and haul your ass out of bed etc. because you are suspected of dealing,’ a normal occurrence in the American War on Drugs.

    22. Attack Communists for suppression of religion. Attack Islamic fundamentalists for not being secular. What contradiction?!

    23. Do not notice the irony that the US is currently fighting an incredibly expensive, losing war against an opponent which it funded, supported, and even handed its first victory in Afghanistan.

    24. What should you say when confronted with all the continuing and often worsening problems in the world today, and asked for a solution? FREEDOM!! (Repeat as necessary until your opponent goes away)

    25. Nothing from “Communists” can be trusted. Unless it somehow works in your favor, ala Khrushchev’s ‘Secret Speech’ from 1956, or anything Trotsky wrote.

    26. Communist leaders were ‘paranoid’ for devoting so much time to security against counter-revolution. Ignore the mountains of evidence, including the restoration of capitalism in the East Bloc, that this threat was indeed real.

    27. Communist regimes were never popular. If proof is presented in various cases to show otherwise, claim that the people were brainwashed. Make no effort to consider the budgetary and logistic constraints on such an undertaking.

    28. Communist propaganda is crude and primitive. If someone mentions Red Dawn or worse, mentions the J. Edgar Hoover-endorsed comic book series known as The Godless Communists, run away.

    29. Praise secularism in the name of ‘freedom’ and ‘pluralism’ until faced with a Communist. Then play the religion card.

    30. Atrocities and other bad things that happen under non-Communist regimes are the fault of individual ‘bad people’. Anything bad that happens under a ‘Communist’ regime is the fault of the ideology and system. And Stalin.

    31. Being an anti-Communist means not having to have any sort of ideological consistency whatsoever. Preach populist left-wing pseudo-socialism 90% of the time, and then compare the capitalist system to “Stalin’s Russia”(if you never really studied the subject, just read 1984 and Animal Farm). about capitalism 99% of the time, but balk when someone suggests Communism as an alternative. Far right wing Fascist? Constantly about cultural degeneracy under capitalism, while remaining fanatically opposed to Marxism for no discernable reason save for your affinity for historic nationalism.

    32. If you’re an anarchist, keep pointing out the ‘failure’ of Marxism while ignoring the fact that your ideology has a 100% failure rate throughout its entire history. Blame those failures on Communists, or stronger military powers. Ignore the fact that the most wonderful society is worthless if it can’t defend itself from reaction.

    33. Neo-Nazi? Communism is Jewish!! Debate over.

    34. Neo-Hippy? Tibet!

    35. Constantly condemn the genocide that allegedly occurred under Mao, while ignoring the US’ relations with China established by Nixon, and the massive role capitalist China has played in the modern US economy. When you want to talk positively about China, it’s a capitalist country. If you need to criticize it, it’s still ‘Communist’.

    36. Claim Marxism is not empirical. Neither are neo-liberalism, ‘democracy’, or ‘freedom’, but don’t worry about that.

    37. Always insist that despite the location, country, historical era, past experience, and all other factors, Communists must want to recreate a modern-day copy of Stalin’s Russia, and all that entails according to you. Do not notice the inherent idiocy in this concept, such as your particular country being already industrialized, and not having a historical problem of severe backwardness.

    38. Learn to use the magic word ‘totalitarian’. This word allows you to link two ideological opposites, Communism and Fascism.

    39. Ignore the fact that socialist states experienced more economic problems parallel to the number of market reforms they made.

    40. When challenged about numbers or historical context, resort to labels like “ruthless tyrant”, “cruel murderer”, and such. Remember, people like Stalin were mass-murderers because of all the people they killed, and we know they killed all those people because they were mass-murderers. It totally tracks!


    Source:
    http://kasamaproject.org/2010/07/28/...ti-communists/

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    Default Re: 40 helpful tips for an anti-communist

    This has been posted before I think.

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    Yeah it has. Although I don't remember alot of these.

    Far right wing Fascist? Constantly about cultural degeneracy under capitalism, while remaining fanatically opposed to Marxism for no discernable reason save for your affinity for historic nationalism.
    ^I've been encountering that one alot lately in BNP threads and the like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Joe View Post
    32. If you’re an anarchist, keep pointing out the ‘failure’ of Marxism while ignoring the fact that your ideology has a 100% failure rate throughout its entire history. Blame those failures on Communists, or stronger military powers.
    Anarchy doesn't have a 100% failure rate. Many places in history were anarchies. Somalia is anarchist atm for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irelandeb View Post
    Anarchy doesn't have a 100% failure rate. Many places in history were anarchies. Somalia is anarchist atm for example.


    You're right, Somalia are great off!


    -No stable currency
    -Countless wars between old school tribes
    -Countless murders
    -Famine
    -Pirates ()
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    Quote Originally Posted by risker View Post
    You're right, Somalia are great off!


    -No stable currency
    -Countless wars between old school tribes
    -Countless murders
    -Famine
    -Pirates ()
    "working" and "providing hte best possible quality of life" are not synonymous, and a lot of htat stuff can't be blamed on the anarchy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irelandeb View Post
    "working" and "providing hte best possible quality of life" are not synonymous, and a lot of htat stuff can't be blamed on the anarchy.
    Yes it can. A proper government deals with those sorts of problems, particularly the currency problems. With all due respect, saying Somalia is a "working" country is a laughable statement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Joe View Post
    Lol how am I nationalist? Do you know what nationalist even means?

    You are a nationalist, if you can possibly call the USSR a country (that would be another laughable statement). You genuinely believe in the USSR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by risker View Post
    Yes it can. A proper government deals with those sorts of problems, particularly the currency problems. With all due respect, saying Somalia is a "working" country is a laughable statement.
    No government could deal with the problems Somalia has for a generations.

    The quality of life would probably be worse with a government in Somalia, because they'd have higher taxes and there'd be an even bigger civil war.

    So anarchy hasn't made life worse there, although it would make life worse here in a western liberal democracy.
    Quote Originally Posted by risker View Post
    You are a nationalist, if you can possibly call the USSR a country (that would be another laughable statement). You genuinely believe in the USSR.
    How is that nationalistic? If he was a nationlist he would be against the USSR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irelandeb View Post
    Anarchy doesn't have a 100% failure rate. Many places in history were anarchies. Somalia is anarchist atm for example.
    You confuse a territory that is being run by an anarchist system, as opposed to a country that is in a state of political and economic chaos. And most of places like Somalia can actually be labeled as failed states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irelandeb View Post
    Anarchy doesn't have a 100% failure rate. Many places in history were anarchies. Somalia is anarchist atm for example.
    I think it worked pretty well in Catalonia during the civil war, the stalinists destroyed it though.
    These fine gentlemen's have thanks to their consistent idiotic posts have earned their place on my ignore list: mrmouth, The Illusionist, motiv-8, mongrel, azoth, thorn777 and elfdude. If you want to join their honourable rank you just have to post idiotic posts and you will get there in no time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irelandeb View Post
    Anarchy doesn't have a 100% failure rate. Many places in history were anarchies. Somalia is anarchist atm for example.
    In the rural areas with Xeer, absolutely. Most of it is just chaos though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irelandeb View Post
    Anarchy doesn't have a 100% failure rate. Many places in history were anarchies. Somalia is anarchist atm for example.
    And somalia is a successful country?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar Arakelyan View Post
    And somalia is a successful country?
    Its citizens have a higher quality of life than they would have under a government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irelandeb View Post
    Its citizens have a higher quality of life than they would have under a government.
    I love the refined, sheer stupidity of that statement.


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    Quote Originally Posted by irelandeb View Post
    Its citizens have a higher quality of life than they would have under a government.
    Apart from those that have it worse. Which is nearly everyone.
    Quote Originally Posted by A.J.P. Taylor
    Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar Arakelyan View Post
    And somalia is a successful country?
    Failed state, anarchy and anarchism are very different things. Were you aware of the difference out of interest?

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    Default Re: 40 helpful tips for an anti-communist

    iirc, "anarchism" and "anarchy" are not one in the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ugly View Post
    iirc, "anarchism" and "anarchy" are not one in the same.
    anarchism is the ideology that wants anarchy I thought?

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    Quote Originally Posted by irelandeb View Post
    anarchism is the ideology that wants anarchy I thought?
    Most Anarchists are socialists of one type or another who believe in creating a "stable" (bad term probably) anarchy which is held together by voluntary associations rather than government. Marxists on the other hand think the proletarian state does not need to be abolished - that it will fade away when it is it so longer necessary to "reconcile warring classes". Basically it's like saying "Ok, this wall was built to keep the guys on the other side from murdering us. But it is in the way of the progress of our people." The Anarchist might say "Just tear it down, we can find a way to reconcile without the fence" the Marxist would say "Let's deal with the guys on the other side of fence first, then we won't need the fence".


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    My humorous attempt at 5 tips for canadian communists:

    1. In case your discutant disagrees with you, call him ultra-nationalist
    2. This shouldn't really stop you from being nationalist yourself
    3. Defend murderous totalitarian regimes
    4. Capitalist media are inherently and hopelessy biased. Wherever appears a thread that mocks your nation/totalitarian regime, express your disbelief and rule 2 or 3, or both.
    5. No matter the circumstances, wish USA the worst.

    >: P


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