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    Default Re: [EB AAR] Koinon Hellenon: Athens X Sparta (.org X TWCenter), a participative AAR - Sparte

    A man of brown hair and beard enters and speaks;

    "My fellow spartans. I had just entered this meeting, but there is a thing I like to say. Though we spartans are warriors of magnificent might, I strongly say against recruiting more men from our beloved city. The current calculations of the city population in the cities of the Koinon reveal that our city has less than half a thousand men left. I advise that we restrain from recruiting more men from our city, so we can preserve our city's development and population."

    I disagree with propostion 6 of Populus to rise more levies due to our current population level

    I propose that we restrain from recruiting more men until our city's population is restored.

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    Reffering to Mainolfi's previous post, I Agree to points, (2) (3) (4) (7) of Populous, and urge that we assist the Athenai as much as possible in freeing them from siege, as Athens is a major trading polis, and as such it being under siege greatly affects the economy of the entire Koinon!
    I also push for an increase in spending on our economy, with a focus on Rhodos/Athens. No more troops should be raised for now, until we have funds to do so.
    The army of Sparte should occupy the fort north of Attike, with or without the Alliance army.

    To Populous:
    Please, expand upon your parties policies, all I can gather is that you want Sparte to remain powerful in the Alliance, a good economy and for one day the Spartans to be feared!
    While I support all of these admirable goals, what is your outlook on the current military situation? Should be go on the offensive? Should we sit back and let the Makedonians come to us while our infrastructure is improved? This is, in my view, the most important decision to be made, presently. Your current policies are just common sense and something that we were all in favour of! Bring to the table something to set you apart from the Moderates, or what point is there in your party even existing!

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    Just F.Y.I, I'll keep adding new arrival's stats into the massive post above, so if anyone is wondering what the status is of something, or looking at new proposals, they'll all be there.

    EDIT: Nevermind! I can make a much more economical one on the next page!
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    Nikolas marched into the Spartan Council, helmet under his arm. In his booming voice he said

    "Men of Sparta! It pleases me that you seek revenge on the Macedonians, as the single member of the Council here who suffered at their hands directly I agree. However you also seek revenge against Athens, something which we cannot afford, and I will be the first to admit that! My friends, as mentioned by Populus just a little while ago Jirisys the Traitor has revoked his scheming ways and now works for the benefit of all Greeks. He has made an apology to all Spartans, and to Areas especially and even invites the Alliance army, still with its Spartan generals, to march to the aid of Athens. After the siege, he proposes that the Strategos takes charge, but that the Spartans stay. Now I will be the first to say that I reviled the man, called him traitor, and even supported his exceution but if he can admit to his wrong-doings and settle the rivalry between Athens and Sparta then so can I."

    Whispers of astonishment tore through the room, and Nikolas continued "I know this is hard to digest, and it is as hard for me to say but forgiveness is the only path to victory for us now. Men of Sparta, continue with your bickering if you will but I will be with our kings and the Alliance Army, waiting for your consent to march to the rescue of Athens." And with that he marched out of the hall, leaving the Councilors to their arguing.

    SUMMARY:

    Proposal 1: A Royal Pardon for Jirisys and an invite back to his seat on the Council of Sparta

    Proposal 2: When we do take Demitaras, we should enslave it.

    Proposal 3: Soon as we can we should recruit Hoplati.

    I Agree...: To all of Jirisys' proposals, including the liberation of Athens and the retination of Spata's place in the Alliance Army under Athens.
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    Proposal Status:

    OLD Proposals:

    8 Military Points:

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

    Populus:
    (1)Men of Sparte, have just realized a terrible fact, that may explain our defeats of late well. The Army of the Koinoin and the Army of Sparte only have one unit of Hoplitai Haploi! And those are hardly even soldiers, but mere untrained levies. To put that differently, the proud Army of the Koinoin has but one melee unit! So I ask you this: when will the barracks be completed? We need real Hoplitai, who are professional soldiers, and we need lots of them, and we need them now! Does this barracks allow for the recruitment of Hoplitai? Or even of Hoplitai Haploi? Men of Sparte: TO VICTORY!

    Populus: (Later Post)

    (2)I PROPOSE that the Army of the Koinoin rescue Athenai.
    (3)I PROPOSE that the Army of Sparte take the Hellas Front.
    (4)I PROPOSE that the Army of Athenai take the Ionia Front.

    Mainolfi:
    (5)Proposal: Since we also have control of recruitment, and have very limited funds, I propose that all of our new recruits be militia. We will need cheap troops for the upcoming campaign that is sure to follow after the liberation of Athens, without breaking the bank again!

    Populus:
    I (6)PROPOSE that we start levying lots of new troops in Sparte, seeing as we just lost control of the Army of the Koinoin, and are now severely weakened militarily. BTW: when is that barracks going to be finished, and will we finally be able to recruit Hoplitai? That Army of Sparte with no Hoplitai is an eyesore.
    I (7)PROPOSE that the Army of Sparte, IF the Athenai do not wish it to accompany the Army of the Koinoin on the mission to relieve Athenai, occupy the Thermopylae fort and cut off the Makedonians escape route, leading to their certain doom.
    I (8)PROPOSE that we enslave a city sometime soon: we need the cash

    Status:
    (1): Pending
    (2),(3),(4): 1 Agree
    (5): 1 Agree 1 Disagree
    (6): 1 Agree 2 Disagree
    (7): 2 Agree 1 Disagree
    (8): 1 Agree 1 Disagree

    Assisting Athens:
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    Mainolfi:
    Propose: Let Athens fall, then retake it and impose Spartan law.


    Status: 1 Agree 2 Disagree

    Construction Proposals:
    Mainolfi:
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    (1)Proposal: Since we have major control over construction, I propose we spend any "in the black" funds on buildings that stimulate economy and income, like docks or farms, and hold off as long as possible on any military construction.

    (2)Savagefeat:
    To also go with the proposal above I PROPOSE that city's such as Korthinos and Sparte start to build more Military buildings (as well as a few financial buildings) as this is Sparta's proud tradition of being the worlds best warriors.

    (1): 2 Agree
    (2): Pending

    Misc Proposals: Attike Act, Economy & Espionage:
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    Populus:
    Spartans, I PROPOSE that we repeal the Attike Act. This act makes no sense, and cripples the offensive capabilities of the Koinoin as a whole. On top of that, Athenai is being besieged, and there is nothing the Army of the Koinoin can do to help them because the Attike Act forbids them to. Spartans, I say that we should refuse to give any assistance to Athenai whatsoever in this siege and leave them to their fates unless the Attike Act is repealed. The ungrateful and idiotic Athenai will have no choice but to repeal the law, or die at the swords of the Makedonians!

    Mainolfi:
    Propose: Expand espionage actions in Macedonia.

    Mainolfi:
    Propose: Seek trade agreements with Egypt, Carthage, or other factions across the Meditteranean.

    Status: All 1 Agree

    Garrisoning the Frontier Fort: 2 Agree

    NEW Proposals:

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

    Scutarilegion:
    I propose that we restrain from recruiting more men until our city's population is restored.


    Status: 1 Agree

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    Artorius Rex:
    Proposal 1: A Royal Pardon for Jirisys and an invite back to his seat on the Council of Sparta

    Proposal 2: When we do take Demitaras, we should enslave it.

    Proposal 3: Soon as we can we should recruit Hoplati.

    Status: (1),(2): 1 Agree (3): 1 Disagree
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    Quote Originally Posted by MIDN Mainolfi View Post
    Populus:
    Spartans, I PROPOSE that we repeal the Attike Act. This act makes no sense, and cripples the offensive capabilities of the Koinoin as a whole. On top of that, Athenai is being besieged, and there is nothing the Army of the Koinoin can do to help them because the Attike Act forbids them to. Spartans, I say that we should refuse to give any assistance to Athenai whatsoever in this siege and leave them to their fates unless the Attike Act is repealed. The ungrateful and idiotic Athenai will have no choice but to repeal the law, or die at the swords of the Makedonians!

    Mainolfi:
    Propose: Expand espionage actions in Macedonia.

    Mainolfi:
    Propose: Seek trade agreements with Egypt, Carthage, or other factions across the Meditteranean.
    I AGREE with proposal 1
    I AGREE with proposal 2
    I AGREE with proposal 3

    Though in expansion with proposal 2 i PROPOSE that we train and send spys to watch the key Macedoian citys Demetrius and Pella, and also send a spy to the Eporit capitol to inform us when the Romans arrive on Greece if the ever do.
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    This session is now over, there are more than enough orders compiled!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtoriusRex View Post
    Nikolas marched into the Spartan Council, helmet under his arm. In his booming voice he said

    "Men of Sparta! It pleases me that you seek revenge on the Macedonians, as the single member of the Council here who suffered at their hands directly I agree. However you also seek revenge against Athens, something which we cannot afford, and I will be the first to admit that! My friends, as mentioned by Populus just a little while ago Jirisys the Traitor has revoked his scheming ways and now works for the benefit of all Greeks. He has made an apology to all Spartans, and to Areas especially and even invites the Alliance army, still with its Spartan generals, to march to the aid of Athens. After the siege, he proposes that the Strategos takes charge, but that the Spartans stay. Now I will be the first to say that I reviled the man, called him traitor, and even supported his exceution but if he can admit to his wrong-doings and settle the rivalry between Athens and Sparta then so can I."

    Whispers of astonishment tore through the room, and Nikolas continued "I know this is hard to digest, and it is as hard for me to say but forgiveness is the only path to victory for us now. Men of Sparta, continue with your bickering if you will but I will be with our kings and the Alliance Army, waiting for your consent to march to the rescue of Athens." And with that he marched out of the hall, leaving the Councilors to their arguing.

    SUMMARY:

    Proposal 1: A Royal Pardon for Jirisys and an invite back to his seat on the Council of Sparta

    Proposal 2: When we do take Demitaras, we should enslave it.

    Proposal 3: Soon as we can we should recruit Hoplati.

    I Agree...: To all of Jirisys' proposals, including the liberation of Athens and the retination of Spata's place in the Alliance Army under Athens.
    I agree with proposal 1. We must maintain good relations with Athenai to ensure the koinon's survival if we hope to defeat the macedonians.

    However, I disagree with proposal 3; as I had mentioned in my last speech, our population level is worryingly low, and if we continue to recruit, we will run out of men in our city. And this also leads me to agree with proposal 2. The helots gained from Demetrias will rise our city's population somewhat.

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    To Populous:
    Please, expand upon your parties policies, all I can gather is that you want Sparte to remain powerful in the Alliance, a good economy and for one day the Spartans to be feared!
    While I support all of these admirable goals, what is your outlook on the current military situation? Should be go on the offensive? Should we sit back and let the Makedonians come to us while our infrastructure is improved? This is, in my view, the most important decision to be made, presently. Your current policies are just common sense and something that we were all in favour of! Bring to the table something to set you apart from the Moderates, or what point is there in your party even existing!
    The parties ideals are outlined in the post. Our current reaction to our military situation should be determined by our ideals, I would not post propositions that would be obsolete in one cycle.
    And helpful though that link may have been, it does not explain what role MIDN Mainolfi and I, the Sparte Council Ephoroi, in game.
    And wow, you guys have posted so much! I went to sleep and school and come back to find an entire page of new posts?! I am sad because I did not get to put in that final 2 cents. For instance, I am certain that besieging Thermon is like sending sheep off to the slaughter. After all, just take one look at the size of that army and you will see how dangerous they are. Darnit!
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    267 BC

    Athenian orders:
    -Alliance Army comes led by Areus of Sparta (Chremonides will command it once Athenai is no longer under siege). (YES)
    -The Spartan Army is allowed to move freely through Attike. (YES)
    -Alliance Army to be reinforced. (YES)
    -Improve military installations in Athenai. (YES)
    -Improve trade in Rhodos. (YES)
    -Fleet to blockade the port of Demetrias. (YES)
    -Scout Makedonia, gaining information on the Macedoian forces in the region of Pella. (YES)
    -Liberate Athens, then move the Alliance Army closer to Thessalia (Demetrias). (YES)
    -Besiege Demetrias if possible. (YES)

    Spartan orders:
    -Improve the economy rather than the military (public buildings). (YES)
    -Dispute the Attike Act (Spartans may not enter Attike). (YES)
    -Expand espionage actions in Macedonia. (YES)
    -Seek trade agreements across the mediterranean. (Not yet)
    -Garrison the frontier fort. (YES)
    -Stop recruitment in Sparta until population is restored. (YES)
    -Enslave Demetrias once conquered. (YES)
    -Royal pardon for the Athenian councilor (Jirisys) in Sparta. (YES)



    Areus first ordered a small force of skirmishers to garrison the fort in Attike, which the Makedonians had left empty. This would make their retreat to Demetrias - or to the fort itself - harder. This ingenius action was a suggestion of the Spartan Council to their King.


    Areus then proceedd to engage the Macedoians, under Alkyoneus Argeades, who were besieging Athenai.


    The Macedonians retreated without fighting to where they could...


    ...to the north-east of the Attike Fort.


    With Athenai no longer under siege, Areus stepped down from the command of the Alliance Army, and the new Strategos, Chremonides, took charge. Areus went back to Korinthos, where he was welcomed. His son had gone back to Sparte, where he intended to stay for his next 4 years in the position of Hegemon.


    Chremonides persued the Macedonian army to the point it couldn't retreat anymore. His first battle as Strategos was about to start.


    The Koinon Hellenon forces easily outnumbered the Macedonians, but Alkyoneus Argeades was a great general that could still cause trouble.








    Alkyoneus Argeades died in the battle, and his army fell quickly without him.


    Chremonides ordered the killing of all Macedonians who participated in the battle as a punishment for the siege of Athens.


    Few Makedons survived that day.


    Chremonides saw the complete obliteration of the Macedonian army as an opportunity to conquer Demetrias. He was confident in the current strength of the Alliance Army.





    To the north, the Makedonian King gathered more forces in his capital.


    He managed to do so, and sent them to break the siege of Demetrias. The Alliance Army outnumbered the Macedonians, but these had heavy cavalry, phalanxes and quality hoplites in their forces. They also had Kalos Argeades, a strong commander. Still, their forces were divided (the reinforcements and the garrison of Demetrias) and the Alliance Army was united.





    Chremonides's plan was to attack the reinforcements quickly and rout them before the garrison of Demetrias arrived, fighting the 2 Macedonian armies one at a time.


    The plan did not work. The Macedonian captain in charge of the reinforcements was strongly defended by heavy cavalry, and managed to keep his forces fighting as he waited for Kalos and the garrison of Demetrias.


    The Koinon Hellenon Army was spread thin and started losing the battle in both flanks. The right flank eventually broke.


    But in the center the Athenians and Spartans managed to get Kalos to "withdraw" (cowardly run away) from the battle, giving Chremonides the advantage.


    The battle was bloody. By the end of it, all military tactics were abandoned and the exhausted men just tried to stab whoever wasn't wearing their colors.


    Victory came to the League of Hellenes, and again the Macedonians were chased and killed.





    Most of the garrison of Demetrias was killed in the battle, so Chremonides ordered the assault on the walls.











    Demetrias was conquered.


    Eudamidas, the second Spartan King (and current Polemarchos of the Koinon), advised Chremonides to enslave the population of the city, as was requested by the Spartan Council. Due to the valuable help the spartans had provided in the previous battles, and since the Athenian Council had given no order on this matter, he agreed with the suggestion.


    After conquering Demetrias, Chremonides retreated to the Attike Fort with all the Alliance Army but a force of skirmishers, which was left in Demetrias to maintain order. He believed the Macedonians would siege Demetrias and the Alliance Army had been weakened and required reinforcements, which would be hard to recieve if they were stuck under siege in Demetrias.


    The Macedonians did indeed siege the city soon after with a force that outnumbered the current Alliance Army.


    And they had even more men in the north. For now, Chremonides was staying in the Attike Fort, waiting for reinforcements and orders from the Athenian Council.


    Back at southern Hellas, public buildings and recruitments were made through this entire time. In Sparte the new military facilities were completed.


    And work began on public health.





    In Rhodos, the economy started being improved through the building of a mercantile port.


    In Athenai, reinforcements were recruited for Chremonides.


    And his son grew older, ready to enter public life.


    Although the idea of him joining the Spartan Agoge seemed absurd to many, he didn't find the notion so absurd.


    Doros was a hellene more than an Athenian, and had liked the other cities, including Sparta.


    In Athenai, the building of new military facilities started as well.


    Over at Asia, Sinope was conquered by Pontos. This city had once requested the help of the Koinon.


    Once the public health constructions were finished in Sparte, economic improvements started being made to the city.


    And in the north, Pella was the last stand of the Macedonian King, as his forces had failed to conquer Serdike. Unless, of course, he managed to conquer Demetrias back from the Koinon.

    This report was a bit different in that I reported all the military events first, then the rest. I thought it would be more interesting to follow Chremonides's campaign without interruption. Let me know if next time you want me to keep doing this or mix up the military events with the other ones. This was also the biggest report yet.

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    Hey I have a request for Molina can you show us the faction diplomacy for factions such as Epirus and Macedon. Also I will share my points of view on those topics later when I get access to a computer currently I am using my mums iPad and its hard to reply I just thought I might not get to a computer in time so I posted this.

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    An update to the Spartan parties:



    Party symbols (if anyone wants to use in posts and sigs):


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    Sparte Nationalist Party (SNP)

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    I personally like reporting on a singular military campaign all the way through without stopping. Especially with a report this big, jumping around to several topics at once would get confusing.
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    Men of Sparte! Now Athenai controls four cities, while Sparte only controls two. This must be fixed. It is undoubtable that Athenai will rescue Demetrias successfully and then finish off Makedonia by the end of this cycle without our help. This, nobody can deny. Also, I think it is no longer necessary to dictate orders on the conduct of the Hellas Front, as the Athenai Council definently will have this covered. We should be concerned with our own affairs. Sparte needs expansion room. Now that the Ephebeia Seuotheke has been completed, at last we can train, equip, and use a true army. Quite simply, what we should do is train Hoplitai for the next year and then finish the year off by capturing Thermon. In order to provide us with an immediate boost, we should, if the Hegemon sees that it fits in the budget, recruit mercenary Hoplitai, yes, mercenaries, but they are fellow Hellenes and will be sympathetic to our cause. This should give us three cities to Athenai's probable five. After that, since Makedonia will be long dead and buried, we know how Epeiros will react. I propose that we launch a preemptive strike after the capture of Thermon and capture Ambrakaia too cripple those Barbaroi posing as Hellenes who call themselves "Epeiros". We also must make this decaration of war before Athenai can, or else they will steal all of our cities from us - again! In order to make this war easier against a powerful nation, I propose that we fight a war by proxy against Epeiros using the Romanoi. We should kindly donate money to them in return for their aid and an alliance. In accordance with the policy of the SNP, I say that Thermon, being Hellene, should be spared and given a level two government, but that the population of Ambarkaia, being Barbaroi at heart, be expelled and the city given a level three government.
    I PROPOSE that Hoplitai be trained
    I PROPOSE that mercenary Hoplitai be hired
    I PROPOSE that Thermon be captured
    I PROPOSE that Thermon be occupied
    I PROPOSE that Thermon be given a type II government
    I PROPOSE a declaration of war on Epeiros (not immediately, but soon, before the Athenai can do it)
    I PROPOSE that Ambrakaia be captured
    I PROPOSE that Ambrakaia be expelled
    I PROPOSE that Ambrakaia be given a level III government
    I PROPOSE that we ally with the Romanoi and use them to fight a war by proxy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Populus Romanus View Post
    Men of Sparte! Now Athenai controls four cities, while Sparte only controls two.
    Demetrias remains neutral for now, since it was captured with the Alliance Army and no action was taken by any polis to influence it. It's neither under Athenian nor Spartan influence at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Molina View Post
    Demetrias remains neutral for now, since it was captured with the Alliance Army and no action was taken by any polis to influence it. It's neither under Athenian nor Spartan influence at this point.
    Men of Sparte, I say we annex Demetrias and construct a type I government there, in order to redeem ourselves in the eyes of the surviving Demetroi, in accordance with SNP policy. We must not let it fall into Athenai hands!
    I PPOPOSE that Sparte annex Demetrias
    I PROPOSE that a type I government be constructed in Demetrias

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    First 10 Proposals:

    I agree with all 10 of your proposals good sir!

    Proposal 2: Are mercs in EB expensive? I can't remember. If they aren't, then we might as well use our momentum to drive the Macedonians back. We will need all the strength we can get to protect Demetrias, and the Athenians are obviously playing the waiting game. It is time for us to strike!

    I (obviously) agree with everything about Thermon, and I also think now is the time to use the money we have earned, and we will be earning thanks to economic stimulus. If we don't the Athenians will, and we will have gained nothing for the work that we've put into building our economy!

    I agree with the war with Epeiros, only on the understanding that it is merely a suggestion for the future. We shouldn't make ourselves vulnerable on two fronts if we don't have to, but let's face it, that war is inevitable, but we should hold off for as long as possible.

    I also think that securing an early alliance with Rome is a very good idea. For right now, the enemy of our enemy is our friend, and as far as we know, Rome hasn't signed a peace treaty with Epeiros, and if they did, we could probably persuade them otherwise.

    Final 2 proposals:
    I also agree with your Demetrias proposal, we need to secure our interest in the city before the Athenians do! However, I suggest we make a plan for if they decide to, and successfully do, aquire it.

    Yay 100 posts!
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    Default Re: [EB AAR] Koinon Hellenon: Athens X Sparta (.org X TWCenter), a participative AAR - Sparte

    Quote Originally Posted by Populus Romanus View Post
    accordance with SNP policy. We must not let it fall into Athenai hands!
    1)I PROPOSE that Hoplitai be trained
    2) I PROPOSE that mercenary Hoplitai be hired
    3)I PROPOSE that Thermon be captured
    4)I PROPOSE that Thermon be occupied
    5)I PROPOSE that Thermon be given a type II government
    6)I PROPOSE a declaration of war on Epeiros (not immediately, but soon, before the Athenai can do it)
    7)I PROPOSE that Ambrakaia be captured
    8)I PROPOSE that Ambrakaia be expelled
    9)I PROPOSE that Ambrakaia be given a level III government
    10)I PROPOSE that we ally with the Romanoi and use them to fight a war by proxy
    11)I PPOPOSE that Sparte annex Demetrias
    12)I PROPOSE that a type I government be constructed in Demetrias
    I AGREE with proposals 1,3,4,5,10,11 and 12
    The reasons why i DISAGREE with proposals 2,6,7,8,9 are because
    2) we can now train more Hoplitai from the barracks in Sparta and mercenary's cost more to hire and upkeep
    6,7,8,9) because we do not need another war right now once the Macedonians are dead these four DISAGREEMENTS will become AGREEMENTS
    though with the alliance with Rome are the AI in this more keeping to their word? instead of attacking their allies i've never played EB before but i've wanted to. unfortunely for me my computer wont let me have any more mods and i never figured out how 2 install.

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    Default Re: [EB AAR] Koinon Hellenon: Athens X Sparta (.org X TWCenter), a participative AAR - Sparte

    EB is a complete overhaul on everything, I have it on my normal computer, not the one I'm currently at, it is a total overhaul of the system, and in my experience, the alliances are a lot stronger. Of course, that still doesn't mean that the Roman won't stab us in the back if they feel it would be in there best interest. It would likely lead up to war with Rome if they crossed the Aegean to combat the Epeiros in the future! You know how the Romans are: Give them a foot and they'll take a mile!

    And also, I agree with your system:

    I agree with 1,3,4,5,10,11,12
    I Disagree with 2,6,7,8,9

    When the time is right, I will likely (depending on the situation) change them to agree if they are proposed again!
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    Default Re: [EB AAR] Koinon Hellenon: Athens X Sparta (.org X TWCenter), a participative AAR - Sparte

    What I meant is that we attack Epeiros once the Makedonians are dead and buried, fellow Spartans. So, taking that into account, all your nos would be turned into yess, right? However,the fact remains that Makedonia is already nearly dead,and could very well be by the end of this turn. So it is better to start this war sooner rather thsn later, before Athenai can steal all the glory and settlements. That said, yes, this is probably one for the next turn. But no later! Men of Sparte: TO VICTORY!

    P.S. I am posting this from my kindle,and I tell you, it takes forever. Please excuse any gramatical errors!

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