[EB AAR] Koinon Hellenon: Athens X Sparta (.org X TWCenter), a participative AAR - Sparte

[Molina]

Darn. Nobody was able to agree to my proposals.

Sorry , but don't worry, they'll be considered for next year.

Also: wow... next update is gonna take a while to format. It was a long year. Please be patient!

[Populus Romanus]

Nooooo! Hopefully not too long? I need mah updates.

[Molina]

259 BC

Athenian motions:
-Attack the Eperiotai army besieging Pella at once with the Alliance army and ask the Spartatai send their First Army to Pella as well. (Yes)
-If victorious, send the Alliance Army to Ambrakia.
-Recruit professional troops in Athenai and send to reinforce the Athenian army at Mytilene. (Yes)
-Send our saboteur/assassin to the Eperiotai homelands to sabotage their Military Barracks. (I forgot, sorry!)
-Order the building of the biggest port in Athenai and bigger ports in all cities where this is possible. (Yes)

Spartan motions:
-Send the 1st Spartan Army to march immediatly to Pella's aid. (Yes)
-After we lift the seige of Pella, march quickly into Pyrrus' lands. (Yes)
-Agree to leave Epeiros homeland regions neutral.
-Stronger Spartan army should move to take Ambrakia, while the weaker must take Thermon. (Yes)

The Epeirote Wars

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The year of 259 BC began with Eugenios Rhodios's first project as Hegemon. Advised by the Athenian Council, he ordered the construction of new ports all around the Koinon.










Nikanor, the second son of the Athenian Chremonides and brother of Doros, the current Strategos, began his education in the Academy of Athenai.




He was an intelligent young man, but not very popular. Like his brother, he had nothing against barbarians or hellenes from different poleis. However, his personality was still to mature.



In Athenai, he witnessed the inauguration of new army barracks. The polis was now able to equip their men better, including heavier hoplites, cavalry, spearmen and hoplite phalanxes.







But this year wasn't marked by such events. It was the war against the Epeirotes that would go in history.

After an initial retreat by Alexandros Aiakides, commander of the Epeirote Royal Army and second son of Pyrrhos, Doros was confident he could win with the Alliance Army and the 2nd Spartan Army. Eudamidas and Akrotatos, then, led the 1st Spartan Army to the south of Ambrakia, the Epeirote capital.





To the northwest of Pella, the great battle between the Koinon Hellenon Army and the Epeirote Royal Army began.









The feared elephants of Pyrrhos were spotted in the battle.










The Spartan reinforcements arrived somewhat late, but still in time for the battle.









Although the elephants were effective, fire arrows and javelins eventually made them flee the battle, never to be seen again.


















The death of Alexandros Aiakides made the entire Royal Army rout. They knew they had been defeated.





"Waaait..."



"I'm not going there!"




Pella was safe for now, and the Royal Army was now a few hundred cowards in the mountains of Epeiros.




Doros chased them down towards Ambrakia...



And caught them before they could return to their capital to regroup.









Doros and the Alliance Army were now in the mountains of Epeiros, enemy territory.
















The sequence of victories was giving Doros confidence in his ability as a Strategos. He had become, he judged, as good as his father, and at a much younger age!







The 2nd Spartan Army, commanded by Damasos, stayed in Pella to make sure no attacks would come from the north. Afterall, the Epeirotes had expanded their territory into barbarian land.




Reinforcements from Athenai arrived in Mytilene to defend the polis from Seleukid attacks. The Seleukids must have judged the island of Lesbos far too fortified and remained in a defensive position in Anatolia.




Doros continued marching towards Ambrakia with the intention of besieging the Epeirote capital. His scouts warned him that Ptolemaios Aiakides, the firstborn of Pyrrhos, was somewhere in the mountains, trying to get back to Ambrakia himself.







While Doros besieged Ambrakia, Akrotatos led the 1st Spartan Army south towards Thermon, were Pyrrhos was with a small garrison.



But another battle would be fought by Doros of Athens. Some Epeirote Strategos named Lysias Zmarathaios, surely a barbarian from the north, attempted to break the siege. Pyrrichos Aiakides, grandson of Pyrrhos, left the city to fight.









When Pyrrichos realized the battle was going in the Koinon's favor, he retreated back to the safety of Ambrakia's walls.




The Illyrian cavalry of the Epeirotes didn't do them any good, using their horses to leave the battle quickly instead of using them to fight.






Doros was too careless with his strong cavalry, losing many good horsemen.




It was otherwise a great victory, perhaps one of the greatest the Koinon has ever witnessed.



But the Epeirotes weren't done yet. The subjects of Pyrrhos desperately tried to break the siege of Ambrakia, believing this to be the key to surviving and perhaps turning the war to their favor.







This time the grandson wasn't able to escape back to safety.












Meanwhile, the Spartans marching towards Thermon hired some reinforcements. They knew defeating Pyrrhos wouldn't be easy, so a hundred of gauls and another of cretan archers were incorporated in the Spartan troops.







Back home, the poleis were prospering.










When winter began once again, Doros still had Ambrakia under siege. The city had a pitiful garrison and would fall very soon.

In the south, near Thermon, the winter had forced the Spartan Army to camp for weeks. Akrotatos and his men were ready to intercept any attempt by Pyrrhos to retake his capital, but the Polemarchos would have to wait until the end of the winter to besiege the Epeirote Basileus's last stand.

The time has come once again for the Spartans to decide the faith of their polis and armies, and lead the Koinon to victory.

[SavageFeat]

Sorry that I've been gone for a while i was at my friends place over the weekend playing CoD but i would like to Propose something straight away
I PROPOSE that the Spartan army attack Thermon (of course) and try to kill Pyrrhos
also I PROPOSE that peace try to be made with the Seleucid's
and lastly I PROPOSE if we peace with the Seleucid's or not I think that we should take Pergamon into our fold.

[MIDN Mainolfi]

Are WE allowed to make peace with the Seleucids? Or do we have to convince the Athenians to make peace because they were the ones who antagonized the war?

[Molina]

Are WE allowed to make peace with the Seleucids? Or do we have to convince the Athenians to make peace because they were the ones who antagonized the war?

Good point. I guess it's better to leave it to the Athenians, it's pretty much their war.

[SavageFeat]

Are WE allowed to make peace with the Seleucids? Or do we have to convince the Athenians to make peace because they were the ones who antagonized the war?

Good point. I guess it's better to leave it to the Athenians, it's pretty much their war.

True but each Athens and Sparta each make up half this Koinon Hellenon so we should be able to chose who we ally and who we are at war with. Though if not and they are being fags then we could ask them nicely

[DarthLazy]

I AGREE To peace with Arche Seleukia.

I AGREE with attacking Thermon.

I PROPOSE that a mercenary force attack Epamidonas.

[Molina]

A new element, the Civil War Meter:

When the swords cross, civil war will begin and the Koinon will be divided.

The swords (and the colored bars) will move closer to each other when a polis takes an action that would increase tension between the alliance, such as taking a city for itself, banishing a foreigner from its Council, forbidding passage and other hostile actions.

The swords will move away from each other if conciliatory actions are taken, such as establishing neutral governments or other agreements between Athenai and Sparte.

It could happen that one of the cities takes hostile actions and the other one takes conciliatory actions, in which case civil war will be avoided for longer.

[MIDN Mainolfi]

SavageFeat's War & Peace Proposals:

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(1)I PROPOSE that the Spartan army attack Thermon (of course) and try to kill Pyrrhos
(2)I PROPOSE that peace try to be made with the Seleucid's
(3)I PROPOSE if we peace with the Seleucid's or not I think that we should take Pergamon into our fold.

Status:
(1): 4 Agree (|Sith|2|Lazyo,Phalangites,PopulusRomanus,Diomede)
(2): 2 Agree (|Sith|2|Lazyo,Diomede)
(3): 1 Disagree (Diomede)

|Sith|2|Lazyo's Merc Proposal:

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I PROPOSE that a mercenary force attack Epamidonas.

Status: 1 Disagree (Diomede)

Phalangites's Renewed Proposals:

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(1)I PROPOSE that we train 3 more units of hoplitai and 1 more unit of pelatastai, because now that we have a Polemarchos we can increase the strength of the 1st Army of Sparte from 8 units to 12.
(2)I PROPOSE that we start to look into attacking Byzantion as soon as we have killed Epeiros.
(3)I PROPOSE that the 3rd Army of Sparta be recruited, to be led by the 2nd general (sorry, can't remember name) in the 1st Spartan Army.

Status:
(1): 3Agree (PopulusRomanus,Maiar93,Diomede)
(2): 2 Agree (PopulusRomanus,Maiar93) 1 Disagree (Diomede)
(3): 2 Agree (PopulusRomanus,Maiar93) 1 Disagree (Diomede(Counter Proposal))

Diomede's Counter-Proposal to Phalangites Renewal Proposal (3):

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I counter propose that he be sent to Sparta in order to effectively govern. A third army may be recruited for him to lead, but he should oversee this recruitment.
I would also like to see a list of his traits and ancillaries.

Status: Pending


Populus Romanus's Proposals:

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I PROPOSE that we attack Serdike
I PROPOSE that we build the next level barracks at Sparte

Status: Pending

Maiyar93's Proposal:

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I PROPOSE we merge our armies and flank Thermon. Without attacking it we lure their army out and kill them all, and then take the city. Or then starve them to death.

Status: 1 Disagree (Diomede)

Arthur, king of the Britons's Proposal:

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I have a PROPOSAL which is very long term it goes as following:

"We "divide" the world between us (Athenians, Spartans), all land West of Hellas would lie in the Spartan zone of expansion; Messana, Syracuse, Taras, Massalia, Emporion + every other Hellenic Colony West of Hellas. We Athenoi would not attempt to seize these poleis and not prevent the Spartiatai to seize these poleis. This also goes for any non-Hellenic region Westwards.

Likewise all land East of Hellas would be in the Athenian zone of expansion; Pergamon, Halikarnassos, Sinope, Nikeia, The Bosporan Hellenic colonies + every other Hellenic Colony East of Hellas. The same goes for any non Hellenic region Eastwards. The Spartiatai would not attempt to seize these poleis and not prevent us from seizing these poleis.

To sweeten the deal Kyrene would also fall in the Spartans sphere of expansion, and Bysantion would be incorporated as a neutral polis of the Koinon."

If enough people support it here in Sparte and in Athenai, I will push for this becoming a new Koinon Law.

Status: Pending

[Populus Romanus]

Men of Sparte, we have Epeiros on the run. We should immediately attack Thermon and occupy the place ad give it a level II government. Then, taking the initiative while we have it, we should march the 1st Army of Sparte north and assault Serdike. I also agree with Phalangitai with the renewed proposals, it is indeed the right time to increase our strength in manpower. We should also try to construct the next level barracks at Sparte. Men of Sparte: TO VICTORY!

I AGREE to Phalangitai's renewed proposals
I AGREE with immediately assaulting Thermon
I PROPOSE that we attack Serdike
I PROPOSE that we build the next level barracks at Sparte

[Maiar93]

This is really.. kinda notcool. Why we have to say 'I PROPOSE'.. it sucks lol.

Aight well ontopic..

I PROPOSE we merge our armies and flank Thermon. Without attacking it we lure their army out and kill them all, and then take the city. Or then starve them to death.

I AGREE to Phalangitai's renewed proposals

[The Kybrothilian]

This is really.. kinda notcool. Why we have to say 'I PROPOSE'.. it sucks lol.

Because we are roleplaying as an spartan council.

[Diomede]

Savage feat:
I: I agree
II: I also agree.
III: I disagree. For now, Anatolia is not our battle ground.

Sith:
No. We should not hire expensive mercenaries when we can instead train more reliable Spartans.

Phalengites:
I: I agree.
II: No. They are our nominal allies, we should not take aggressive action against them.

III: This is an interesting proposal.
Molina, am I correct in believing that neither Sparta nor Corinth currently have a governer? If this is the case, then I must disagree with this proposal for the sake of good management.

I counter propose that he be sent to Sparta in order to effectively govern. A third army may be recruited for him to lead, but he should oversee this recruitment.
I would also like to see a list of his traits and ancillaries.

The proposal to attack Serdike is an interesting one. One which I neither agree nor disagree with, so shall abstain for now. I shall wait and see what the reaction of the moderates is to this proposal. However, I must insist that it is done in the name of the Koinon Helenon, if we do so. I shall not comment either way on expansion of our military infrastructure as that is the perview of the Hegemon, who we do not control.

I disagree with Maiar as I do not wish to see Pella come under seige again from the north.

[jirisys]

No peace with AS I'm afraid, we must still protect our allies on Pergamon, we cannot allow it to fall.

I expected more from war-mongering spartans like you

~Jirisy (SNP is sure in the process ruining this koinon )

[Diomede]

jirisys, since I've struggled to keep up with one forum, never mind two, could you outline for myself and everyone else Athens' political parties please?

[SavageFeat]

No peace with AS I'm afraid, we must still protect our allies on Pergamon, we cannot allow it to fall.

I expected more from war-mongering spartans like you

~Jirisy (SNP is sure in the process ruining this koinon )

What do you have against my party? We are not ruining the Koinon. Its people like you that are
I say OFF WITH YOUR HEAD!

[_Augustus_]

I AGREE with all three proposals made by Populus Romanus.
I PROPOSE to assassinate "Helenos Aiakides" if possible and
I PROPOSE to build economic buildings in Korinthos and Pella.... we need much more minae for the future war with Romans and Selucids.

[Populus Romanus]

Molina, I'm confused about the conciliatory actions. What exactly are they? Could you just say, "Hey, lets all be friends," and that would count? Or would it require something more?

[Molina]

Molina, I'm confused about the conciliatory actions. What exactly are they? Could you just say, "Hey, lets all be friends," and that would count? Or would it require something more?

It would recquire an action more than words. Perhaps gifting a few units, gifting a building, an entire city. Helping and reinforcing the Alliance Army. Letting characters undergo the Agoge or study in the Academy of Athens. Or just agreeing with each other's proposals and getting along.

Anyway, this polis session is now closed. Arthouros's proposal may continue to be discussed since it doesn't affect the next year anyway.

Also I don't know what I'd do without Mainolfi and his proposal summaries!