[EB AAR] Koinon Hellenon: Athens X Sparta (.org X TWCenter), a participative AAR - Sparte

**MIDN Mainolfi** · February 04, 2011, 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by Ranger Blue

Would it be possible to clarify my point perhaps? Change it to something like "I Propose no action be taken in Sicily by the Alliance army until Makedon and Epirus have been destroyed"? I'm not sure if Populous meant that no action should be taken at all, but this should help clear things up.

Yeah, no problem, done and done! Instead of making you scroll all the way back up there, here is what your proposal list looks like:

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If you want to change it again, just let me know!

Though I can't change people's motions unless they say so, but hopefully this will help you out!

**MIDN Mainolfi** · February 04, 2011, 11:27 PM

Updated with proposals, agreements/disagreements, and new system!
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Diomede's has formed a new party: The Lacedaemonian Unionists (LU)

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Late last session, there were also a few proposals about future actions toward captured cities that didn't have time to receive a lot of attention:

Beckitz Anti-Slavery Proposal:

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Status: 2Agree (RangerBlue, Populus Romanus)
3 Disagree (Scutarilegion, Getenus,SavageFeat)

Savagefeat's Extermination Proposal:

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Status: 2 Agree (RangerBlue,Getenus) 1 Disagree (Populus Romanus)

New Proposals:

Ranger Blue's military Proposals:

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Status:
(1): 3 Agree (Populus Romanus,Getenus,SavageFeat)
(2): 3 Agree (Populus Romanus,Getenus,SavageFeat)
(3): 2 Agree (Getenus,SavageFeat)
(4): 1 Agree (Populus Romanus) 2 Disagree (Getenus,SavageFeat)

Populus's Military Actions Proposals:

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Status:
(1): 3 Agree (Getenus,SavageFeat,Ranger Blue)
(2): 2 Agree (SavageFeat,Ranger Blue) 1 Disagree (Getenus)
(3): 1 Agree (Ranger Blue) 1 Disagree (Getenus)
(4): 2 Disagree (Getenus,SavageFeat)

Gotenus's Sicilia Expansion Proposals:

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Status:
(1): 2 Agree (SavageFeat, Ranger Blue)
(2): 2 Disagree (SavageFeat, Ranger Blue)
(3): 2 Disagree (SavageFeat, Ranger Blue)

KOINON HELLENON:

Jirisys Proposals:

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Status:
(1): Pending
(2): Pending
(3): Pending
(4): Pending

**Gotenus** · February 04, 2011, 08:28 PM

I PROPOSE that we reinforce our Spartan Army, make a fleet, and sail to Syrokousai and Sicilia. We would be able to rally them to our side in the debates, council, and elections.

**MIDN Mainolfi** · February 04, 2011, 08:36 PM

I will make your proposal 3 seperate proposals: one for reinforce spartan army, one for building a fleet, and one for departure to sicilia. That way the whole proposal doesn't automatically fail in case someone doesn't agree with only one point. Unless you prefer for it to be that way. Just let me know, I have no problem fixing it to the way you want it!

**Gotenus** · February 04, 2011, 08:46 PM

No problem.

I DISAGREE with Beckitz' Anti-slavery proposal.

I AGREE with Savage feat's extermination proposal.

I AGREE with 1, 2, and 3 of Ranger Blue's proposals.

I DISAGREE with Ranger Blue's proposal 4, in favour of my proposals.

I AGREE with Populus' proposal 1.

I DISAGREE with Populus' proposal 2(in favor of mine), proposal 3, and proposal 4.

**Molina** · February 04, 2011, 10:17 PM

History of the Koinon Hellenon, spreadsheet style.

**SavageFeat** · February 04, 2011, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by Molina

History of the Koinon Hellenon, spreadsheet style.

ok this is all nice but I want to know what factions are at war with each other like Epirus, Rome, Ptolemies, the Seleucid's and Macedon

**SavageFeat** · February 04, 2011, 10:14 PM

Ranger Blue's military Proposals
(1)Propose that no attack upon Mytilene be carried out until reports of the siege of Pergamon are received, and found to be favourable. I AGREE

(2)I Propose that Rhodos support the Alliance with it's own troops, if possible. They are by far the largest city, but as of yet have not contributed men, while Sparte is practically a ghost town! I AGREE though in favor for this proposal we would need a navy.

(3)If the military infrastructure isn't there, I Propose it be built as soon as possible. I AGREE

(4)I Propose that a military force only be sent to aid the greeks of Syrakousai after Makedon/Epirus have been defeated and Thermon taken, unless an army from Sparte or Athens takes it upon themselves to go. The Alliance army is needed here for now, and cannot be spared. I DISAGREE

Populus's Military Actions Proposals:
(1)I PROPOSE that Asia Minor not be invaded any time soon I AGREE
(2)I PROPOSE that the Army of Sparte be reinforced and retrained (but later part of it disbanded in Lakonia) I AGREE
(4)I PROPOSE that Pella not be sacked, but occupied and given level II government I DISAGREE

Gotenus's Sicilia Expansion Proposals:
(1) I Propose we reinforce the Spartan army. I AGREE
(2) I Propose we build a fleet. I DISAGREE
(3) I Propose we sail to Syrokousai and Sicilia. We would be able to rally them to our side in the debates, council, and elections. I DISAGREE

Beckitz Anti-Slavery Proposal:
I further propose that we, from this day forward, never enslave a free city so long as this Alliance stands." I DISAGREE

Also Molina where is the faction diplomacy standards? its was requested but never received

.. also Diomede's new party (The Lacedaemonian Unionists (LU)) is not a full party until it has one more member. also what is the point for party's do they get extra votes or something? or is it just for fun?

P.S. any one know how to make smileys? cause i think it would be cool to have somthing like this

with a spartan or Koinon Hellion flag

sorry i just found the all smileys place hehehehehehe now time for

smileys

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smileys

wooooh I have Rep

**Populus Romanus** · February 04, 2011, 11:31 PM

I meant no action taken ever. After all, why go all the way over to Syrokousai to get ourselves involved in a bunch of random wars over in Magale Hellas, including two of the most powerful empires in the world? I makes no sense when one thinks about it.
And I am quite bemused at the insistence of Councilors on the enslavement of Pella, including a certain SNP member who is supposed to be looking out for the rights of fellow Hellenes...

And MIDN Mainolfi, your post is wrong. I voted for the anti slavery proposal and voted for Ranger Blue's proposal 4.

**MIDN Mainolfi** · February 05, 2011, 12:16 AM

Originally Posted by Populus Romanus

And MIDN Mainolfi, your post is wrong. I voted for the anti slavery proposal and voted for Ranger Blue's proposal 4.

I'm confused, your clearly disagreeing with it in post #195. Fervently in fact. That's why Ranger wanted the language changed. I will change it, but I think you've become confused somewhere.

And there is no post where you agreed to the anti-slavery proposal. I will change it, but again, I think you've gotten lost somewhere.

**Populus Romanus** · February 05, 2011, 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by MIDN Mainolfi

Earlier Response copied and pasted to proposal 4: I fervently DISAGREE with Ranger Blue's proposal to invade Megale Hellas to aid Syrokousai. It's also only a few posts up. I've got no problem changing it, but I think you've become confused somewhere. I'll change it anway.

And I also don't see the post where you voted for the anti-slavery. I will add this one as well, but again, I think you've become confused somewhere! No problem though!

I fervently DISAGREE with savage feat's extermination proposal

I indirectly agreed to it by disagreeing to the extirmination proposal.

**MIDN Mainolfi** · February 05, 2011, 12:38 AM

Just for future clarity, Savagefeats extermination proposal is dealing with the city of Pella if it is captured, and Pella alone.

Beckitz's anti-enslavery proposal is a proposal to adopt a standard policy for the rest of the game.

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Diomede's has formed a new party: The Lacedaemonian Unionists (LU)

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Status: Artorius Rex wishes to join the party!

Beckitz Anti-Slavery Proposal:

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Status: 2 Agree (RangerBlue, Populus Romanus)
5 Disagree (Scutarilegion, Getenus,SavageFeat, Zarniwoop,|Sith|2|Lazyo)

Savagefeat's Pella Extermination Proposal:

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Status: 3 Agree (RangerBlue,Getenus,|Sith|2|Lazyo) 2Disagree (Populus Romanus, Zarniwoop)

New Proposals:

Ranger Blue's military Proposals:

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Status:
(1): 3 Agree (Getenus,SavageFeat,Ranger Blue)
(2): 3 Agree (SavageFeat,Ranger Blue, Scutarilegion) 1 Disagree (Getenus)
(3): 2 Agree (Ranger Blue,Scutarilegion) 1 Disagree (Getenus)
(4): 2 Disagree (Getenus,SavageFeat)

Gotenus's Sicilia Expansion Proposals:

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Status:
(1): 3 Agree (SavageFeat, Ranger Blue, Scutarilegion)
(2): 1 Agree (Scutarilegion) 2 Disagree (SavageFeat, Ranger Blue)
(3): 1 Agree (Scutarilegion) 3 Disagree (SavageFeat, Ranger Blue,Artorius Rex)

Zarniwoop's Pella Enslavement Proposal:

I PROPOSE that should Pella be taken the population be enslaved.

Status: Pending

|Sith|2|Layo's Two Pronged Spartan Army Proposal:

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Status: 2 Disagree (Scutarilegion,Artorius Rex)

ArtoriusRex's Military Proposals:

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Status:
(1): Pending
(2): Pending
(3): Pending
(4): Pending
(5): Pending

KOINON HELLENON:

Jirisys Proposals:

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Status: 1 SPARTAN Agree (Zarniwoop) 1 SPARTAN Disagree (MIDNMainolfi)
1 ATHENIAN Disagree (Jirisys)

**jirisys** · February 05, 2011, 12:11 AM

Leumenes' slave went to the spartan assembly and gave the paper written by Leumenes to the orator, and read it out loud.

"HA HA! The makedonians routing is the most joyful sight in my life, YOU SEE!" He was overly excited, yet, with a great reason. "Ares was truly thristy for blood! And those makedonians did not event make a crack on our shield! Those bastards are not worthy of being called greeks, such cowards, running from their men, while still hundreds of them battling, ha! Ares had their revenge, for those who died in the capture and those who died in the defense. It must bring great joy, as we have trumped the Makedonian war machine and at the same time, uniting even more all of the polis of Hellas! Yet, while Ares has given us the bloody rage of death that all greeks must have in battle. Yet, Athena now must possess our minds, as we need to know what to do with this victory. Yes, we have won a great battle, but now, the Makedonians will make either the mistake of attacking us in our own lands and without the professional men they've lost in the siege, or they will stay in Pella and try to rebuild their armies."

"Now, that we most need unity, in our desitions, I must see, to first, Make a Prytaneia boule of all the polis, every year, so the Prytaneis may reunite and for proposals for the Koinon and it's army. In other matters, we must, if in not inminent danger, give back some men to their polis' army and keep some men for defense of Demetrias, also, we must avoid any other confrontations with any other kingdoms, as it would weaken our polis. This is a time where we must grow prosper, with trade and farming, with buildings. We must let a time for upgrading our economy, buildings, armies, navies and bonds. We must remain in peace, so we may strike like undead men later! However, if needed, a levy athenian army go ask for help to Kretai. But that is as much"

I PROPOSE we create a boule for the Prytaneis of every polis, each year, so we can decide the orders for matters that affect the Koinon as a whole (such is the army).
I PROPOSE IF NOT IN DANGER OF BEING BESIEGED OR ATTACKED, that we give back some of the men to their own polis, so they may retrain and see their families again.
I PROPOSE we must not get into confrontation with any free kingdom.
I PROPOSE we must improve our infrastructure and economy, with trade rights all over the world.
I PROPOSE we should use some levy athenian army to liberate Kretai..

~Jirisys ()

The orator, reading what Leumenes wrote after the transcript: "I would like to validate proposals I to IV in the spartan assembly, so they may be accepted on both sides. Clarifying, free kingdoms (in-game factions actually) like Epeiros or Arche Seleukeia, and save some time for building infrastructure rather than fight with levy and without funds."

~Jirisys (slave)

**SavageFeat** · February 05, 2011, 01:41 AM

I PROPOSE that Athenians can not speak in this Spartan council unless spoken for by a council member, I propose this because if Athenians have free speech in this council and vice versa then what would be the point of each having separate councils? With this proposal we will not deny all Athenian conversation just restrict.also they have their own council they can ask them then request from us to do what they want if we agree. I have also proposed this because this will stop Athenian spy's that might be lurking around these hallowed halls, I doubt that there are but I wish to take these surcurity protocols.

**Cassibellane** · February 05, 2011, 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by savage feat

I PROPOSE that Athenians can not speak in this Spartan council unless spoken for by a council member, I propose this because if Athenians have free speech in this council and vice versa then what would be the point of each having separate councils? With this proposal we will not deny all Athenian conversation just restrict.also they have their own council they can ask them then request from us to do what they want if we agree. I have also proposed this because this will stop Athenian spy's that might be lurking around these hallowed halls, I doubt that there are but I wish to take these surcurity protocols.

"While this is, for now, simply a proposal, I shall use my Greek right to free speech while I may - though I am sure that Sparte would not wish to silence me. While I would agree that it is not right, or proper, for proposals to be made here by we Athenians, is it not right that while I am here, I make it clear why I am here, and to help assuage suspicion of Athens in this council.

I see confusion upon some faces here. Yes, I made a proposal to this council, but I was uncomfortable in doing so, and I tried to make plain my reasons for what I consider to have been an extraordinary situation. I believed that the situation was more dire than actually it was. I can assure you, men of Sparte, that I have no interest in interfering with the workings of your council. You are wise and capable Greek men. All that I desire to do, by my presence here, is to hold our alliance together by communication between our councils, so that mistrust and suspicion do not lead us from a great destiny.

As for spies... I would quickly rid myself of any spy who made his presence known as I make mine known here."

**~~The Kybrothilian~~** · February 05, 2011, 03:15 AM

I agree with Populus proposal 2 and Gotenus proposal 1. To put into more detail, I propose we send all spartan cavalry and light infantry units back to Sparte and retrain them as Hoplitoi. The army of Sparte shall be based around a strong core of Spartan hoplitoi, supported by auxilia troops recruited from Korinthai.

I agree with Populus proposal 3. Once we have crushed Macedonia, We should take out epeiros too. We could also conquer Thrace and get to contact with Byzantion. For such, I disagree with Jirisys proposal 3

I agree with RangerBlue's proposals 2 and 3. Rhodos is too inactive at the moment. They must be put to work, by building an navy and army for the preparation of invading Mytilene.

I agree with Gotenuses proposals 2 and 3. We should annex Syrakusoi and possibly Messana too trough diplomacy, and build a small fleet to pick up the diplomat, and should the need arise, send an army to aid those cities.

**Ranger Blue** · February 05, 2011, 07:24 AM

As I understand it, Jisirys' proposal 1 is to create a seperate forum where we discuss on the position of the Koinon as a whole, rather than as each party before conferring? I Disagree, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. This system might not be perfect, but it works.
I Agree with 2 and 4.
I Disagree with 3.

**Diomede** · February 05, 2011, 07:29 AM

Jeeez, a lot for me to catch up with - and not enough time! Don't even know where to start. I'm here though. :ph34r:

**Zarniwoop** · February 05, 2011, 08:43 AM

I DISAGREE with Beckitz Anti-Slavery Proposal.

I DISAGREE with Savagefeat's Extermination Proposal and PROPOSE that should Pella be taken the population be enslaved.

I AGREE with Ranger Blue's military proposals 2 and 4.

I AGREE with Savagefeat's Representative Ambassador Proposal.

**DarthLazy** · February 05, 2011, 08:51 AM

How do I participate?

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