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**~~RubiconDecision~~** · January 28, 2011, 08:23 AM

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**Carle** · February 02, 2011, 08:06 PM

Taiji proved that it is possible, but it requires a script and (preferably) a free faction slot. What you do is have the spare placeholder faction spawn spies in the pre-placed forts in descr_strat, then freeze their AI with the capaign script. The spies are unseen in the agents section, and you can even have their names displayed on the Strat map to "name" the forts (or "villages" if that is hat you prefer) & because the faction AI is frozen the spies don't go anywhere, preserving the "destructible" forts.
I plan to use this system in my new map, but I'm uncertain whether the strat-map models of stone preplaced forts are different from the buildable wooden ones. I THINK that preplaced forts can have any model, but I could easily be wrong.

**Taiji** · February 02, 2011, 09:10 PM

It wasn't me. I didn't have the agents idea, I read about it somewhere. But it did occur to me that the models can be different, in the sense of wooden for constructable and stone for permanent, for example. But then even that probably occurred to someone else before me - It did seem a bit obvious having learned about the labeling/naming of forts, I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice.

**~~RubiconDecision~~** · February 02, 2011, 10:27 PM

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**Carle** · February 03, 2011, 02:33 PM

Taiji,
am I correct in assuming that the Pre-placed forts will be the correct Strat and Battle models, while the buildable wooden forts will be the regular models as per descr_cultures, each with their specific fortification levels i.e. siege towers for stone, stone towers and wall strength?

**Taiji** · February 03, 2011, 02:57 PM

Exactly, and the pre-placed forts need an agent in them to keep them permanent.

**~~RubiconDecision~~** · February 03, 2011, 03:28 PM

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**AnthoniusII** · February 03, 2011, 03:34 PM

Please let me know if i understand it corectly.
If a mod has a faction slot free/available.
Then it is possible to:
Have the mod permanent stone forts (in any shape-villages for example or forts) and the same time the characters of the rest factions will be able to build non permanent forts or camps..
Did i undestand it corectly?

**Carle** · February 03, 2011, 03:38 PM

Yes, that is correct. SS, as I recall, has two free faction slots, so this could easily be applied to it. OTOH, if a mod has no available faction slots, a Slave spy (with a unique trait nullifying movement by subtracting 100% MP or something like that) MIGHT work, but I'm not certain if such a trait will prevent them from moving.

**AnthoniusII** · February 03, 2011, 03:45 PM

Then can someone please write a "coding" example of how we can put it in our coding/scripting.
TGC map is huge and we want to add villages or towns as "psf" but we want our characters to continue to be able to build forts no matter if those forts will disapear after three turns.
It a matter of realism to us to add more "cities/villages" on the campaign/battle map.
Credits will be given acourse.

**Carle** · February 03, 2011, 09:51 PM

Link:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=360928

also, aside from that, if you want buildable forts while having "permanent" preplaced forts, keep the bools "DestroyEmptyForts" and "CanBuildForts" set to true AND then spawn the placeholder faction spies in the proper locations in descr_strat. Then all you need to do is add "FreezeFactionAI [Placeholder" at the beginning of the campaign script, and you're done.