AI Siege sucks

**dizzyjai** · January 28, 2011, 01:53 AM

when the ai sieges my castle they don't even siege it they just run back and wait for me to come out!
is there a submod to fix this or anything?

**Lord Butters I** · January 28, 2011, 01:56 AM

That should not be happening. What difficulty are you playing on?

**dizzyjai** · January 28, 2011, 01:57 AM

Originally Posted by Lord Butters I

That should not be happening. What difficulty are you playing on?

VH/VH
also don't know if it's worth a mention but i'm running frome and AUM as well

**Lord Butters I** · January 28, 2011, 01:59 AM

Originally Posted by dizzyjai

VH/VH
also don't know if it's worth a mention but i'm running frome and AIM as well

Has it always done this or has it just recently started? Can you pinpoint the exact moment it started, and does it coincide with the installation of a submod?

And before you get too in depth, you might want to just re-install and see if that fixes it.

**dizzyjai** · January 28, 2011, 02:01 AM

Well i only installed TA:TW 3 days and i installed FROME exactly after i installed vanilla so yes it's been doing it the whole time.

before reinstalling i'd really like to see if anyone else has this problem or if there are any other posibilities because i deleted my installers and don't want to have to install 3.5gbs again

**Jackie_fish** · January 28, 2011, 02:07 AM

are you shore you haven't sallied fourth ?

**dizzyjai** · January 28, 2011, 02:10 AM

Originally Posted by Jackie_fish

are you shore you haven't sallied fourth ?

wut?

**Scorpius Centaurus** · January 28, 2011, 02:25 AM

"Sallied forth" means you brake the siege by attacking the sieging army. If you did then they usually wait for you to attack.

Did you destroy all their siege equipment before they made it to your walls? That could be why they ran away.

**dizzyjai** · January 28, 2011, 02:29 AM

Originally Posted by Scorpius Centaurus

"Sallied forth" means you brake the siege by attacking the sieging army. If you did then they usually wait for you to attack.

Oh... yes lol my bad

**davsim** · January 28, 2011, 02:32 AM

I've had the same exact issue, only that the enemies used to just drop their sieging machines and sit on their asses, waiting for me to get out and attack them.

**Hermes Trismegistos** · January 28, 2011, 02:35 AM

Yes, when you sally they do that. If you want them to attack, you have to wait, but sometimes they don't and just wait for your garrison to starve (especially if they are not that superior, which is quite reasonable).

**son of romans** · January 28, 2011, 02:50 AM

I use sail force to kill half of their army and the rest at attack,the AI should be changed...when I sail force they shoul move to gates their arcer,start attack...

**Rexmundi** · January 28, 2011, 03:41 AM

Originally Posted by son of romans

I use sail force to kill half of their army and the rest at attack,the AI should be changed...when I sail force they shoul move to gates their arcer,start attack...

Why should they do that? Because it makes it easier for you? The reason you sally forth is for you to break the siege (e.a. you attack) and for them to hold the siege (e.a. defend). It's only natural that they move back and have you come out in open ground in stead of coming to your gates where they have an obvious disadvantage..

**Myoria** · January 28, 2011, 03:56 AM

Originally Posted by Rexmundi

Why should they do that? Because it makes it easier for you? The reason you sally forth is for you to break the siege (e.a. you attack) and for them to hold the siege (e.a. defend). It's only natural that they move back and have you come out in open ground in stead of coming to your gates where they have an obvious disadvantage..

What they should really do is attack you as you come out of the gates where they have a huge advantage - certainly they wouldn't try to charge through the gates.

**Leesin** · January 28, 2011, 04:02 AM

That is true, when enemy sallies forth, I surround him outside his own gate and slaughter him, then when his units are routing, I push through into his city, the AI pretty much lets you setup enough of your forces so that you can't be surrounded or flanked and lets you have a 'fair' fight.

**son of romans** · January 28, 2011, 04:33 AM

Originally Posted by Rexmundi

Why should they do that? Because it makes it easier for you? The reason you sally forth is for you to break the siege (e.a. you attack) and for them to hold the siege (e.a. defend). It's only natural that they move back and have you come out in open ground in stead of coming to your gates where they have an obvious disadvantage..

Words of an inexperienced player who like stupid AI.

**Santeri** · January 28, 2011, 10:09 AM

AI is made to take step back when you sally out because otherwise player would place his archers on walls where they could shoot enemy and be safe whole fight. With right deploying those archers could even shoot enemy units when they engaged by player. Also the player would be kind of unbeatable because when its infantry would get it ass kicked they could fall back easily and just end the sally. When AI is far away, in those situations, player should have to bring whole its forces to defeat the besieger.

Unfortunately the last sentence is not quite right because AI usually just sit and watch when you flank and charge them with cavarly

**Wolfsblut** · January 28, 2011, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by son of romans

Words of an inexperienced player who like stupid AI.

No, just a mistaken post i guess.
I think he thought you meant they should attack you, no matter if you leave the castle/town or not.

**Germanicu5** · January 28, 2011, 06:12 PM

The whole sally-out of defense of AI is scripted manually by me and it's present in TATW 2.1, I'm not sure what FRoME team did to this code and which AI they use.

The main reason of AI moving back if you sally is quite simple and mentioned in some of the posts - there are too many exploits possible on player side. Any attempt to advance towards a settlement would make player decimate AI with missile fire.

There's also another override of sally-out AI I scripted - if AI detects you sally out with weak force and it has proper amount of siege equipment, it'll attack you instead of waiting.

Overall it's not possible anymore to destroy enemy's units one by one after killing all his missile force, which was the most annoying possibility I ever saw in Total War series.

Regards