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    Default Ancillaries/Titles/Honours/Fiefs re-working

    "Lord High Constable", for K.of England only
    "Gran Conestable", R. de Arago to the XVIcentur.
    "Condestable" for Castilla or Navarra
    "Connétable" for R.de France
    "Condestavel" for R.do Portugal

    Armenia
    "Autocrate"(in greek in the text) for the king, since Levon II ~1187
    "Sparapet" for Arkah Kilikia, in early stage
    The french name "Baron"(medium lords) to replace the word of "Nakharar", to mean the cilicians nobles.



    If you have more infos, precisions, please to update.
    All titles...etc, are concerned, not only the "Comes Stabuli"



    Kingdom of England, Renaissance Era

    Chancellor
    Treasurer
    King's Chamberlain
    Steward of the Household
    Chief Butler
    Admiral of England
    Captain of Calais
    Warden of the Cinque Ports
    High Steward
    Earl Marshall
    Great Chamberlain
    Constable of England
    Warden of Eastern March
    Warden of Western March
    Lieut of Ireland

    Reino do Portucal:

    Capitão-mor do mar: amiral in chief

    Timuryan :

    darugha=governor
    kotwal=guardian of a fortress (would be good for any future Kingdoms expansion)
    muhassil=tax collector
    Tamgachi=collector of customs duties
    Muhrdar=keeper of the seal
    khazanchi=treasurer
    yarghuchi=judge
    Qushchi=falconer
    Akhtachi=stablemaster
    Amir al umara=commander in chief
    tovachi=troop inspector
    Yurtchi=official responsible for laying out the camp
    Amir=chief/commander




    Thanks
    Blessing
    .Bey

    Rozanov for the English titles
    Babur for the Timuryan titles
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    Armenian equivalent of Constable (head of the army) is Sparapet.

    This would apply for the Dark Ages and Early Era, but after they came into contact with the Crusaders, they adopted the title of Constable for the head of the army.
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    Default Re: Ancillaries/Titles/Honours/Fiefs re-working

    "Constable for the head of the army"
    thanks, we need the exact traduction of Connetable, for Armenia, they had frequented more French crusaders/poulains than English Crusaders.
    I'm sure of that^^
    or the equivalent word looks more "latin" word(as Comes Stabuli")
    or that sound more french...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rus-Bey View Post
    "Constable for the head of the army"
    thanks, we need the exact traduction of Connetable, for Armenia, they had frequented more French crusaders/poulains than English Crusaders.
    I'm sure of that^^
    or the equivalent word looks more "latin" word(as Comes Stabuli")
    or that sound more french...
    Yes the French word may be most appropriate. In truth, the Constable in the mid-thirteenth century, Smbat, wrote a history called "Chronique du Royaume de Petite Armenie," which I can't read because it's in French.

    http://visualiseur.bnf.fr/CadresFene...6&M=imageseule
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    Default Re: Ancillaries/Titles/Honours/Fiefs re-working

    "it's in French. "
    No problem about this^^



    there are a lot of good infos into this matter! It will take some times to check that in detail...
    Maybe there are exactly that we shearch, plus more useful things.
    But Smbat was french speaker too??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rus-Bey View Post
    But Smbat was french speaker too??
    I'm pretty sure he knew French, since they had to make deals with Crusaders and the Kingdom of France many times.
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    Default Re: Ancillaries/Titles/Honours/Fiefs re-working

    if you are sure, mate.
    I know just that the Kilikians used essentially the latin, for their general relations with Zena, Venexa,Pisa , England and France. But Smbat was really a great prince with many relations...etc, its very credible that he spoken latin and french.

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