British Social Mobility

[Sharpe's Company]

We have on this forum many followers of the multicultural agenda, this is to say, they believe that special privileges should be granted to people based on their race or religion. These said people think and have been encouraged to think by their marxist educational leaders that the problems of the UK stem from the lack of cultural diversity and if only we have more cultural and racial diversity, then all the problems in the UK would wash away, and we would become a true utopia, a more successful nation!

But the truth of the matter is, and incidentally a matter that they never mention, it's the lack of social mobility thats the problem

Being a Nationalist, we've had to take up the mantle on this issue because no ones else is talking about it, except for now!

Last night a fabulous program was aired on the BBC presented by Andrew Neil. It went into the deep end of the lack of social mobility in modern Britain. The results of the program can confirm that there has since the days of Marget Thatcher an every increasing widening gap between the rich and the poor and has become endemic throughout every profession in the land. The House of Commons for instance might be over-represented by Jews, but 37% of all Members of Parliament went to Private Schools compared to the 7% national average. These private schools or what we call in the UK 'public schools' can charge more in fees than the average working wage of the British Population!

To put it in a nutshell it's not race or religion that keeps you down, it's wealth and education, and that's something that never gets mentioned around here !

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...s_Run_Britain/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12282505

[Jingles]

These said people think and have been encouraged to think by their marxist educational leaders that the problems of the UK stem from the lack of cultural diversity and if only we have more cultural and racial diversity, then all the problems in the UK would wash away, and we would become a true utopia, a more successful nation!

Considering the topic you're discussing, this is exceptionally amusing, bravo!

[razor-]

Considering the topic you're discussing, this is exceptionally amusing, bravo!

You can easily have socialist leanings and care for the working class and still be critical of marxism

[Jingles]

No I mean I like the way that he reckons that crypto marxists are actually covering up the centralisation of power in the hands of the rich.

Genius, really.

[Sharpe's Company]

No I mean I like the way that he reckons that crypto marxists are actually covering up the centralisation of power in the hands of the rich.

Genius, really.

I would say that Peter Mandelson is a Marxist and he's done exactly what you've said.

[Jingles]

I would say that Peter Mandelson is a Marxist and he's done exactly what you've said.

You don't know what a marxist is. Go back to school.

[Thorn777]

See Sharpe, the BNP and the like knows it has to throw around these silly proclamations vs the-left/socialists/liberals/Marxists/pansy-fairy's because it needs to draw from the same voter-pool.

Now of course, I get it, and I as a social-dem agree there are these overly PC apologetic types on the left, but then there are many many more rightfully standing up against racial devision and against those wanting to make second-class citizens out of them with second-class rights. Your right, positive-discrimination is BS and social mobility in the UK is not normal anymore, but this problem is best treated by standing up against the right people. You really think you would solve this problem by going against other working-class? You'd do what they want...

The problem is class, not color. Anyway best of luck, keep your head up out there.

[Sharpe's Company]

I'm not against the class system, some people are born poor and others wealthy, that's a fact of life.

The Problem is, the poor are not getting decent enough treatment from an ever increasing narrow social class who want to keep the working class kids away from the major sectors of our society. If a Child is born in one of the worst areas in the country, he should have the opportunity to make it to the top, but that is not the case anymore. Over the past couple of months students have been protesting about the rise in fees for education. The Politicians who have put this through the house of commons, 37% of them went to private schools and all of them that went to university had a free education, because back in their day, education was free from the state. The few are shutting the door on the poor, just like they did in the Soviet Union and the middle-ages, when you was born a peasant and died a peasant.

And it has nothing to do with class, all people are asking for is a greater chance in life, the class system is just a natural thing, it's a fact of life.

And I'd much prefer to live in a country that has a Middle Class rather than a Marxist utopia without one, the one that 'our dave' is busy building.

[Thorn777]

OK then: replace upper-class with endlessly rich and powerful and working-class with those being ed over without end in sight.

Now why are you mad at Asians again? I'd point my arrows at them fully grown Eton boys. Those Asian working-class and "Marxists" help to solve the problem if you let them. Division sucks...

[Sharpe's Company]

OK then: replace upper-class with endlessly rich and powerful and working-class with those being ed over without end in sight.

Our upper-class are not that rich anymore sadly, they've been bleed dry by the political classes, they might hold titles and a country house but that's about it. The notion that with Class comes greater wealth has nothing to do with it, Class in the UK is a lot more than just being wealthy.

You are forgetting, we're not only taking about 'one' party here, the Labour Party that is suppose to stand up for working class people is as worse as the party that is supposed to represent the rich and the Labour Party has caused the lack of social mobility, Peter Mandelson even admits it on the show and he is hardly 'upper-class', he is rich yes but he is no where near the top of the top and neither are any of the politicians. to be the top of the top is to sup with the queen at the palaces and estates on a regular basis.

The last time we had a class of people take this much power would be when the Great Industrialists started to make more money than the landowners in the 18th and 19th centuries. These are known as the non-conformist industrialists, because they didn't belong to the upper-class or the church of england but became successful none the less.

[Uber Patriot]

Our upper-class are not that rich anymore sadly, they've been bleed dry by the political classes, they might hold titles and a country house but that's about it. The notion that with Class comes greater wealth has nothing to do with it, Class in the UK is a lot more than just being wealthy.

You are forgetting, we're not only taking about 'one' party here, the Labour Party that is suppose to stand up for working class people is as worse as the party that is supposed to represent the rich and the Labour Party has caused the lack of social mobility, Peter Mandelson even admits it on the show and he is hardly 'upper-class', he is rich yes but he is no where near the top of the top and neither are any of the politicians. to be the top of the top is to sup with the queen at the palaces and estates on a regular basis.

The last time we had a class of people take this much power would be when the Great Industrialists started to make more money than the landowners in the 18th and 19th centuries. These are known as the non-conformist industrialists, because they didn't belong to the upper-class or the church of england but became successful none the less.

You think it's sad that our upper class are not that rich any more? First you complain about lack of social mobility and then you post that?
You know why they aren't as rich any more? Because we invented the wonderful welfare state, which of course requires taxes. I thought a champion of social mobility such as yourself would have heard of this.

What do you mean "bled dry by the political classes"? That money that is taken in tax isn't pocketed by some Tory/Labour/Lib Dem, it's fed back into the system to pay for our welfare state, which allows some degree of social mobility alone (if the poor had to spend all their money on healthcare and education for example they'd have no chance of moving).

[Sharpe's Company]

You think it's sad that our upper class are not that rich any more? First you complain about lack of social mobility and then you post that?
You know why they aren't as rich any more? Because we invented the wonderful welfare state, which of course requires taxes. I thought a champion of social mobility such as yourself would have heard of this.

What do you mean "bled dry by the political classes"? That money that is taken in tax isn't pocketed by some Tory/Labour/Lib Dem, it's fed back into the system to pay for our welfare state, which allows some degree of social mobility alone (if the poor had to spend all their money on healthcare and education for example they'd have no chance of moving).

There used to be a saying in this country, what was it now?

With Wealth comes Responsibility?

Have you ever travelled across the UK in the recent times? Then you'll see the Problem, all those great fields just being wasted away. When I was a boy I used to do a lot of travelling around the country and fields would be full of corn, cows, sheep and even horses but today there is nothing. Our Upper-Class has always relied upon their lands to generate them their incomes. But since we've got deeper into the EU, Peter Mandelson the Marxist while a commissioner destroyed not only the UK's agricultural industry but funny enough a nation that used to rely heavy on it, Ireland.

That's just one example of how the Marxists have bleed dry our Aristocracy and in their place has come the likes of Ed Miliband, a privately educated man who's father was a teacher at Universities around the country and was a well known Communist from Poland.

And hey his son is now leading the Labour Party...It's a long way away from the days of Harold Wilson, When Labour was Labour!

[Uber Patriot]

There used to be a saying in this country, what was it now?

With Wealth comes Responsibility?

Have you ever travelled across the UK in the recent times? Then you'll see the Problem, all those great fields just being wasted away. When I was a boy I used to do a lot of travelling around the country and fields would be full of corn, cows, sheep and even horses but today there is nothing. Our Upper-Class has always relied upon their lands to generate them their incomes. But since we've got deeper into the EU, Peter Mandelson the Marxist while a commissioner destroyed not only the UK's agricultural industry but funny enough a nation that used to rely heavy on it, Ireland.

That's just one example of how the Marxists have bleed dry our Aristocracy and in their place has come the likes of Ed Miliband, a privately educated man who's father was a teacher at Universities around the country and was a well known Communist from Poland.

And hey his son is now leading the Labour Party...It's a long way away from the days of Harold Wilson, When Labour was Labour!

I'm sorry, but what??

I live in East Hampshire (which if your interested is a Conservative seat by a very large majority). The fields on the back of my house have plenty of horses, or oilseed or whatever depending on the seasons. I also spend a lot of time in Derbyshire and almost every field is full of sheep and cows. The EU spends vast amounts helping farmers, if it wasn't for the organisation farmers might not have subsidies and then many would give up.

I don't see how a man's background should be used against him, Ed Milliband may have gone to a private school and have plenty of money (which he pays tax on), but in my opinion he's a decent leader and left winger so I don't mind. Plenty of politicians come out of private schools or Oxbridge (for example Nick Griffin). I judge my politicians by merit, not by education or lack of it.

[Nietzsche]

To put it in a nutshell it's not race or religion that keeps you down, it's wealth and education, and that's something that never gets mentioned around here !

Have you and I been reading the same forum? I don't think a single day goes by that a collectivist mentions how great society would be if X was regulated and Y taxed so Z can have more opportunities... It's an equation rooted in the idea that the secret to happiness for all can be found with just the right mixture of bureaucracy, taxes, good wishes, and altruism- proven false so many times, it boggles the imagination why there are still followers of such pathological nonsense.

[justicar5]

Have you and I been reading the same forum? I don't think a single day goes by that a collectivist mentions how great society would be if X was regulated and Y taxed so Z can have more opportunities... It's an equation rooted in the idea that the secret to happiness for all can be found with just the right mixture of bureaucracy, taxes, good wishes, and altruism- proven false so many times, it boggles the imagination why there are still followers of such pathological nonsense.

Far better to follow laisse fairre and spend you days shooting the poor for daring to demand a living wage right? Or forcinmg them to sell there daughters as prostitutes, we had laisse fairre once, it gave us the work house, child prostitution, cholera and the slums. Never again.

[Denny Crane!]

Far better to follow laisse fairre and spend you days shooting the poor for daring to demand a living wage right? Or forcinmg them to sell there daughters as prostitutes, we had laisse fairre once, it gave us the work house, child prostitution, cholera and the slums. Never again.

Yes this system is so much better where we have increasing inequality, banks have just put our children in debt and we have stopped blatently exploiting people in this country over the last 60 years in favour of subtler forms of doing it to third world countries, but thats ok because they're black and yellow amirite mr status quo?

[Dr. Croccer]

Yes this system is so much better where we have increasing inequality, banks have just put our children in debt and we have stopped blatently exploiting people in this country over the last 60 years in favour of subtler forms of doing it to third world countries, but thats ok because they're black and yellow amirite mr status quo?

You do realize that these things would exist, if not thrive in worse form, in laissez/faire capitalism right. It´s a bit absurd to blame the current system for it when it at least tries to combat it.

[Denny Crane!]

You do realize that these things would exist, if not thrive in worse form, in laissez/faire capitalism right. It´s a bit absurd to blame the current system for it when it at least tries to combat it.

I'm getting pretty good at not being so arrogant as to think I can predict the future of what would and wouldn't happen and not that smart when it comes to trying to argue it but I am fully aware that this current system does not try to combat it because it is the current system that damn well creates it. Africa is a case in point, this 'current system' is responsible for Africa and its current state. We replaced shackles on the many for a shackle on the continent and gaining its natural resources while keeping them poor (or fighting our wars on their land whatever is convenient) though granted we're pretty damn good at fooling the populace that they care.

I can't say what was in the future but I can say that now nepotism, corruption and extortion by the current system is rife and the disparities and unfairness are getting worse now as opposed to the improvements we had been gaining through enhanced senses of rights and efficiencies of technology and growth that improved our lives.

So NOW as opposed to what might happen in a different system it is not good and I'm not advocating one position over another in regards to what could be done about that. Justicar has many problems about capitalism and lists all sorts of examples based on what is happening NOW because governments let it go on and in some cases are in it up to their necks or help create situations that allow injustice to happen. I am active in trying to deal with the problems we have now as opposed to attacking future possibilities, it is at least more productive even if it is probably an impossible job to make even a small difference.

[Jingles]

See you're doing it again. You're whining about lack of social mobility while at the same time singing the praises of the landed aristocracy. You're a complete paradox.

And you still don't know what marxists are. Next you'll be claiming the Millibands are part of a judeo-bolshevik conspiracy to overthrow the establishment. Arbeit Macht Frei, mein kamerad!

[Sharpe's Company]

See you're doing it again. You're whining about lack of social mobility while at the same time singing the praises of the landed aristocracy. You're a complete paradox.

And you still don't know what marxists are. Next you'll be claiming the Millibands are part of a judeo-bolshevik conspiracy to overthrow the establishment. Arbeit Macht Frei, mein kamerad!

Funny how there was social mobility in the 1950s, 1960s and the 1970s when the aristocracy still held power.

People like you, put all the problems down to class, class has nothing to do with it.

And there is a judeo-bolshevik conspiracy, it's called the Fabian Society.