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    As you may have heard, Sky Sports pundit, Andy Gray, was sacked over allegations of sexism. I usually wouldn't give two tosses about it, but the concept of 'sexism' strikes me as somewhat hypocritical.

    Sexism against females is not allowed, yet against men, it is. It's not exactly difficult to find examples of this either. Take comedienne Joe Brand, as an example. When asked, "What’s the way to a man’s heart?", she replied, "Straight through the chest with a kitchen knife!" This implies an undisguised hatred of the male sex, the counter-equivalent is misogyny, which is illegal in today's society. Another blatant example of sexism against males include the content of 'Loose Women'.

    The biggest flaw of society is the concept of women's rights. Women can apparently vote, play football in their own leagues, go into higher education, and so on and so forth. They claim to be the equals of men. I'd have to disagree with them. How can they claim to be our equals when they cannot play football alongside men? I've watched women's football and a Sunday league men's team would probably beat the best women's team quite easily. How can they claim to be our equals when they're physically weaker than us? The truth is that were they allowed to compete with men in say, boxing, the fatality rates of the combat sport would increase exponentially. How can they claim to be our equals when they aren't as intelligent as we are? Let's be honest, women cannot control their thoughts as their emotions always get the better of them, thus the man is always in charge of the household. If we look at a sport based on intelligence, say chess, then it's clear to see that women are absolutely useless as it when compared to their male counterparts.

    Women want equality with men, despite not actually being are equals, literally speaking. But if that's really what they want, then I say we should let them have it. But only under the condition that they cannot pick and choose as they do in today's society. If a woman slaps a man, it is somewhat acceptable. If a man slaps a woman, well, I don't even need to explain what'll happen to the said man. Society, as we know it today, is unfair. If women can vote and share our rights, then they shouldn't be discriminated against positively. It cannot be that nature favours the man, whereas society favours the woman. Nature determines that might is right. Society, on the other hand, allows the weak, who are the majority, to suppress the strong, who are the minority, through an operation called 'democracy' which is determined by quantity over quality.

    Our society has degenerated into barbarism. Women no longer raise children, but instead, release their excrement upon the streets of our cities. They drink the juice, the creator of vice, in vast quantities in excess. It is not even looked down upon, but encouraged as the social norm. A man works hard and deserves his due, but women, their prime use is as eye candy. It might be all well and dandy, eye candy, for us men, but after a quick toss it loses its worth. You see through the candy and beneath the shell. You see something with about as much practical potential as a sandwich making Henry the hoover. Within a single generation I predict that women will no longer be able to cook, or clean, or raise children. Society will implode as a consequence of she who plucked the apple from the tree.

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    Equality doesn't necessarily mean to say men and women are exactly the same, if a woman made sexually leud remarks about a man he would probably be flattered rather than offended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helm View Post
    ...if a woman made sexually leud remarks about a man he would probably be flattered rather than offended.
    I'm sorry, but I can't imagine many men finding this flattering:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atatürk View Post
    I'm sorry, but I can't imagine many men finding this flattering:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEzcOit5LZQ
    Check the actual definition of lewd and get back to us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidin View Post
    Check the actual definition of lewd and get back to us.
    There are forms of gender related remarks which might be deemed offensive, other than those lewd. That was my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atatürk View Post
    There are forms of gender related remarks which might be deemed offensive, other than those lewd. That was my point.
    If that was your point..

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    Your evidence of males being more intelligent is that there are more of them playing chess...?

    As for strength being a basis for superiority, consider this: men can't give birth, and are therefore inferior to women. Retarded logic, isn't?

    In any case it sounds like you have some personal issues with the opposite gender. Rejection, perhaps?

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    Men tend to have better spacial awareness and logic skills than women and women tend to have better emotion perceptive and social awareness than men. So again equal but different.
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    Well that gave me a chuckle.

    It's a strange idea to tackle such a sensitive issue with such callous humour.
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    Interestingly homosexuals often seem to have the traits of the opposite gender, the theory being that homosexual men have a female structured brain and homosexual women have a male structured brain.
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    You're confusing equality and egality, probably because you actually are a misogynist (at least the entire second part of your post simply reeks of it).

    Let's be honest, women cannot control their thoughts as their emotions always get the better of them
    And this is just stupid.
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    It's just disguised as hatespeech
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manco View Post
    It's just disguised as hatespeech
    Cleverly disguised as hatespeech.
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    My guess is Ataturk just bases himself on the women he sees around them, probably forgetting those women are already the result of generation upon generation of sexism, discrimination and socialized to be/act less intelligent and submissive because that is valued in his society (whatever it is, I'm guessing he's somewhere from rural Anatolia, son of a local strongman, exploiting the locals for centuries and going to British schools on the back of someone else's work).
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    While I agree that there's no actual equality between men and women (we are, afterall, different genders), the rest of the OP is just one massive facedesk of ridiculous logic.

    Take comedienne Joe Brand, as an example. When asked, "What’s the way to a man’s heart?", she replied, "Straight through the chest with a kitchen knife!" This implies an undisguised hatred of the male sex, the counter-equivalent is misogyny, which is illegal in today's society.
    1) No, it doesn't imply that at all, that's just your own fantasy.
    2) No, misogyny is not illegal in "today's society", whatever that may be.
    3) Which society do you mean?

    The biggest flaw of society is the concept of women's rights.
    1) Why is it larger than other flaws?
    2) Which flaws?
    3) Which society?

    Women can apparently vote, play football in their own leagues, go into higher education, and so on and so forth. They claim to be the equals of men.
    1) Not on the basis of them playing football and voting, but based on being part of the same species, namely human beings.
    2) Who are "they"?

    How can they claim to be our equals when they're physically weaker than us? The truth is that were they allowed to compete with men in say, boxing, the fatality rates of the combat sport would increase exponentially
    1) How does their physical strength detract from their humanity?
    2) There are men who are physically weaker than women
    3) How would the fatality rates increase? I wasn't aware that the purpose of boxing was to beat your opponent to death.

    How can they claim to be our equals when they aren't as intelligent as we are? Let's be honest, women cannot control their thoughts as their emotions always get the better of them, thus the man is always in charge of the household.
    1) Women perform better in academic studies than men, statistically
    2) Emotions and thoughts are not the same
    3) Your cause and effect reasoning is completely out of whack through the consistent use of "always" and general terms like "women" and unspecified terms like "emotions".

    If we look at a sport based on intelligence, say chess, then it's clear to see that women are absolutely useless as it when compared to their male counterparts.
    1) And if we look at social sensitivity, men are useless at it compared to women. Inductive reasoning doesn't work if you don't have a greater selection of samples than one.
    2) Female participation in chess is not necessarily related to their intelligence.

    Women want equality with men, despite not actually being are equals, literally speaking.
    1) Inconsistent reasoning, you speak about us being unequal based on physical properties and then claim they want equality. Are you saying they want the physical equality that you demonstrated does not exist? That's an absurd claim. Please prove that the objective of the women's rights movement is to produce women physically our equals.
    2) But you agree that this is absurd, so you actually meant that they want equality by law, but then the points that you made to demonstrate inequality between genders have nothing to do with law, meaning you wasted your own time.

    It cannot be that nature favours the man, whereas society favours the woman. Nature determines that might is right. Society, on the other hand, allows the weak, who are the majority, to suppress the strong, who are the minority, through an operation called 'democracy' which is determined by quantity over quality.
    1) Nature does not favour the man, we have two equally important genders. Nature isn't biased, we are bi-gendered by reproductive necessity. If nature had a conscious will, it would have made us single gendered. Or are you arguing that nature made us bi-gendered because it wanted women to hate? I hope not.
    2) How does nature determine that? Another strange claim. And how does nature define might?
    3) Society also allows the inconsiderate to post intellectually stupifying things on the internet, a right that you seemingly make full use of.
    4) How do you equate society and democracy as being the same? There was society before there was democracy.

    Our society has degenerated into barbarism.
    I thought you just argued that we had degenerated into democracy. Are democracy and barbarism the same? Let's ask actual barbarians how they feel about democracy.

    Within a single generation I predict that women will no longer be able to cook, or clean, or raise children. Society will implode as a consequence of she who plucked the apple from the tree.
    A hilarious prediction grounded in as much reality as the entire preceding content of your post. Congratulations, you have lowered my IQ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    There are men who are physically weaker than women
    There are always exceptions. But these exceptions are so exceptional that they are not worth mentioning.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude
    How would the fatality rates increase? I wasn't aware that the purpose of boxing was to beat your opponent to death.
    Men are far stronger than women, and as such, the chances of a male boxer inflicting fatal damage upon his female opponent are more than likely.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude
    Women perform better in academic studies than men, statistically
    The current system of education is greater suited to women. Men favour less passive roles in life. Thus education is flawed.

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    Emotions and thoughts are not the same
    Reason is slave to the passions.

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    And if we look at social sensitivity, men are useless at it compared to women.
    I place zero importance upon social sensitivity.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude
    Are you saying they want the physical equality that you demonstrated does not exist? That's an absurd claim. Please prove that the objective of the women's rights movement is to produce women physically our equals.
    Feminism came in three waves. The first wave sought to be our equals.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude
    Nature does not favour the man, we have two equally important genders. Nature isn't biased, we are bi-gendered by reproductive necessity. If nature had a conscious will, it would have made us single gendered. Or are you arguing that nature made us bi-gendered because it wanted women to hate? I hope not.
    Women are necessary for reproduction. But other than that, they are completely reliant on men.

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    How does nature determine that? Another strange claim. And how does nature define might?
    Might is determined by strength and intelligence. Strength is almost meaningless now, and intelligence which works in nature, cunning, has a minute impact when compared with comprehension skills among other forms of intelligence nowadays.

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    Society also allows the inconsiderate to post intellectually stupifying things on the internet, a right that you seemingly make full use of.
    No, society doesn't allow freedom of speech or expression.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude
    How do you equate society and democracy as being the same? There was society before there was democracy.
    Society has changed and evolved over time. It's always been lopsided, but somewhat recently, it flipped into its reciprocal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atatürk View Post
    There are always exceptions. But these exceptions are so exceptional that they are not worth mentioning.

    Men are far stronger than women, and as such, the chances of a male boxer inflicting fatal damage upon his female opponent are more than likely.

    The current system of education is greater suited to women. Men favour less passive roles in life. Thus education is flawed.

    Reason is slave to the passions.

    I place zero importance upon social sensitivity.

    Feminism came in three waves. The first wave sought to be our equals.

    Women are necessary for reproduction. But other than that, they are completely reliant on men.

    Might is determined by strength and intelligence. Strength is almost meaningless now, and intelligence which works in nature, cunning, has a minute impact when compared with comprehension skills among other forms of intelligence nowadays.

    No, society doesn't allow freedom of speech or expression.

    Society has changed and evolved over time. It's always been lopsided, but somewhat recently, it flipped into its reciprocal.
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    OP - well aside from your most being mostly silly this stood out.

    Let's be honest, women cannot control their thoughts as their emotions always get the better of them, thus the man is always in charge of the household. If we look at a sport based on intelligence, say chess, then it's clear to see that women are absolutely useless as it when compared to their male counterparts.
    Have you actually thought about what you type... You know the overwhelming number of chess grand masters are European (or western) does this mean Africans and Asia's are inherently less intelligent or perhaps they just don't play chess as a competitive sport? Quick how many famous US soccer players can you name who are the elite of the European leagues, how many Chinese players are elite in the NHL (top world professional Ice Hockey)? Do you suppose that means Asian cannot skate and Americans cannot play soccer of does it just mean the otherwise local elite athletic talent of America and China is diverted into other areas? Funny thing is when you actually look a the rare locations where both women and men compete in tournament play in the US in equal numbers - you don't find the disparity that exists overall in chess.

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    What - no reply to your poor chess argument.

    Let me provide some more detail and stick with Ice Hockey.

    Now I think its resonantly clear there are two samples for judging the best Ice Hockey in the world constantly over time - The NHL, and Olympic hockey ( and even gasp females in the Olympics).

    So who wins Olympic metals and who plays in the NHL...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_hoc..._Olympic_Games
    http://www.fromtherink.com/2008/11/2...nationality-52

    So take a minute to look at the facts - by your chess logic more or less something about Canadians, Americans, Swedes, Russians, Finns, Czechs and Slovakians makes them inantly better had Ice Hockey because they dominate its best professional league and it international medals...
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    Quote Originally Posted by conon394 View Post
    So take a minute to look at the facts - by your chess logic more or less something about Canadians, Americans, Swedes, Russians, Finns, Czechs and Slovakians makes them inantly better had Ice Hockey because they dominate its best professional league and it international medals...
    Whereas you'd claim that their greater participation makes them better, right? I'd agree somewhat. However, something you have to bear in mind about women is that despite having achieved the rights they so desired, the activities they're involved in are still degenerate compared to that of men. Although I imagine you'd make the claim that they haven't shaken off old stereotypes. However, I can assure you that they have. They've completely cleansed themselves of any self respect they might have previously had. They've gone from housewife to parasite.

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