Other Faction Speculation

[Osceola]

Obviously there will be other unplayable factions, many of which will probably be emergent. So which ones do you think they are?

- Russia -

They became important under Alexander Nevsky. Thier armies were indeed very interesting and unique, and they were rather powerful, plus they were in the original MTW!

- Kingdom of Jersulam -

Self explanitory.

- Teutonic States -

They were a pain in the ass to Poland, very powerful, powerful enough to attack Russia though beaten back by Alexander.

- Iran/Iraq -

I have no clue who was in control there at this time, but if the map include Timurids then I'm sure whoever was in control there is in.

- Ireland -

We can only hope!

[Chuffy]

'Russia' is already in.

No idea why they are calling it Russia, but hey!

[Sarge_Scot]

Russia will probably be called "The People of Novgorod", as before in MTW. Hopefully we will see all 3 Viking nations (Sweden, Norway, and Denmark), and even possibly Kiev in Russia. Burgundy could be an emergent faction, if you got lucky in MTW, they would appear. Wales would be cool, and I don't know if they mentioned Sicily in the faction list. The Tartars could be in if the map stretched far into the Russian steppe, but they'll probably just be replaced by the Mongols.

[Fianóglach]

It would be historically inaccurate to include an Irish faction, as we never had a united Island, or Kingdom. Maybe have the O'Neills of Ulster as an emergent faction, thats about as close as it comes.

[Sétanta]

It would be historically inaccurate to include an Irish faction, as we never had a united Island, or Kingdom. Maybe have the O'Neills of Ulster as an emergent faction, thats about as close as it comes.

i guess i will just have to take the good ole celtic scots and conquer my island the old fashioned way.
a celtic superstate...eat it england!

[Mr_Breeze]

i guess i will just have to take the good ole celtic scots and conquer my island the old fashioned way.
a celtic superstate...eat it england!

Aye, Same here. That's assuming they include the Island of Ireland. I know how lasy CA can be.. they might just cut it off.

All of you who are complaining about Eastern Europe should play Knights of Honor. Even though the Graphics and AI is the worst ever... all of the factions are in the right places. You can d/l the demo and play as Scottland or Bohemia heh.

[Ranika]

It would be historically inaccurate to include an Irish faction, as we never had a united Island, or Kingdom. Maybe have the O'Neills of Ulster as an emergent faction, thats about as close as it comes.

This isn't accurate. From Mael Sechnaill onto the Norman invasion there was a recognized kingdom of Ireland. However, it was a 'title of contestation'; however, there were effective kings of Ireland in the period. Mael Sechnaill was king of all Ireland until 1022 (and undisputed). In 1080, O'Brien is king, and he has no contestants until 1083, and with no popular support until 1085; O'Brien dies in 1086, so the contest was meaningless. Dermot MacMurrough had to attract Normans to invade Ireland because he actually had to rebel against the high king, and was defeated because the other kings accepted themselves as vassals to the current high king. The period between 1022 - 1175 is more of a lengthy civil war, sometimes with lulls that went for a decade or more with no contestant. Ireland could be a faction in 1080, and just have the Irish province(s) with a higher than normal chance for rebels. However, experts agree that, if not for MacMurrough's invitation of Normans, Ireland was headed for a stable kingship; the number of contestants nose dived around 1100; there were a few brief succession wars and contests, but most contests were political by 1130, and didn't involve near as much violence. On church rolls and for the first crusade, there's even recorded donations of money and men from the 'King of Ireland'. As an aside, in 1080, O'Brien's rule was so smooth at the time because he was also the king of each of the principalities; every other king had submitted their title of ruire, and instead became lesser ri of specific regions, leaving the only ruire as O'Brien (and the defacto king of Ireland, since there were no other legal potential kings). Had MacMurrough not invited the Normans to help him take the title of the king of Ireland, his rebellion probably would've petered out and been crushed like earlier contests for the title.

[therussian]

Russia will probably be called "The People of Novgorod", as before in MTW. Hopefully we will see all 3 Viking nations (Sweden, Norway, and Denmark), and even possibly Kiev in Russia. Burgundy could be an emergent faction, if you got lucky in MTW, they would appear. Wales would be cool, and I don't know if they mentioned Sicily in the faction list. The Tartars could be in if the map stretched far into the Russian steppe, but they'll probably just be replaced by the Mongols.

Novgorod and Kiev were lumped together into a generic "Russian" faction in MTW. It disgusted me.


And I would very much like to see Armenia, though I doubt it would be in there.

[bggeneral2]

Actualy, if there was no Hungary and Bulgaria, Tartars had to by IN Europe, not far in the steps. But this importance of this tow countries is replaced with Sicily :-)

[.zip]

I would like a Serbian or Bulgarian faction, or any other Ortodox faction. There are only 2, damn it

[Manji]

Portugal as a decent non-playable faction and with a decent art and, for god's sake, a correct spelling of the names....please? Pretty please?

[Fabolous]

Portugal as a decent non-playable faction and with a decent art and, for god's sake, a correct spelling of the names....please? Pretty please?

Correct Spelling? You ask for too much...

[Manji]

Correct Spelling? You ask for too much...

Actually it's very simple:

Spanish Name: Alfonso
Portuguese Name: Afonso

Please no "de la" names (as "Alfonso de La Peña" which in portuguese would be Afonso da Penha). Also, the "noble particule", the "de la", which usually is used to distinguish the spanish gentry isn't and wasn't used in Portugal, the particule, if present, is de or da as in Bruno da Silva, not Bruno de la Silva.

Either than that, please please PLEASE don't make a dumb accent, it's not that hard to get the accent right, just call a portuguese immigrant living in England to the sound studio, pay him 10£ and have him say some phrases. :wink:

[Boicote]

Actually it's very simple:

Spanish Name: Alfonso
Portuguese Name: Afonso

Please no "de la" names (as "Alfonso de La Peña" which in portuguese would be Afonso da Penha). Also, the "noble particule", the "de la", which usually is used to distinguish the spanish gentry isn't and wasn't used in Portugal, the particule, if present, is de or da as in Bruno da Silva, not Bruno de la Silva.

Either than that, please please PLEASE don't make a dumb accent, it's not that hard to get the accent right, just call a portuguese immigrant living in England to the sound studio, pay him 10£ and have him say some phrases. :wink:

That’s true. I’m portuguese and i can confirm that. But we can’t forget that the language spoken in Portugal in the middle age was a little bit different from modern portuguese. For example, the name Teresa ( D.Afonso Henriques’s mother) was something like Tarasia.

[Manji]

Boicote: claro pá, somos os melhores ou achas que um gajo como eu nao era portugues

It seems this time Portugal will be a playable faction but I wouldn't set my hopes too high for a decent representation of it....

[Zenith Darksea]

Yes, there really weren't enough Orthodox in Medieval. As I myself am becoming Orthodox though, I have a particular special interest in this Actually, one thing I would like answered (among many!) is this: will the factions be frozen in history ala RTW? Say you're the Byzantines - they get wiped out historically in 1453, so they never really got the chance to develop armies with musketeers and culverins along the new lines of the day. But say in the game you create a resurgent Roman Empire that develops a new army. Will you still be stuck with old Kontaratoi and Toxotai, or will you actually get the new leaps in technology?

[John I Tzimisces]

Yes, there really weren't enough Orthodox in Medieval. As I myself am becoming Orthodox though, I have a particular special interest in this Actually, one thing I would like answered (among many!) is this: will the factions be frozen in history ala RTW? Say you're the Byzantines - they get wiped out historically in 1453, so they never really got the chance to develop armies with musketeers and culverins along the new lines of the day. But say in the game you create a resurgent Roman Empire that develops a new army. Will you still be stuck with old Kontaratoi and Toxotai, or will you actually get the new leaps in technology?

Well historically, a merchant went to the Byzantine emperor offering Gunpowder, and was turned down for it being "too expensive". There shouldn't be anything keeping YOU, however, from utilizing it...

[JANOSIK007]

Bohemia was among the most powerful in Europe and at one time the most powerful in Central Europe.

Why the hell it isn't in?

I had the largest knight battle (Drunkrut), the cultural capital and most developed city within HRE (Prague), it had a rich economy (its Silver mines- keep in mind that Silver was the most sought after resource by the Chinese and it fueled the Silk Route trade- were the richest in Europe) One of the longest dynasties (almost 500 years-the Przemyslid dynasty) of whom many became famous throughout Europe and even in legends and tales. Ottakar II stands out as the most famous Przemyslid and even among other European monarchs. It had plenty of unique units throught the time. Especially during the Hussite rebellion which brought the HRE to its knees as the emeror tried countless times and failed to supress it.

What the hell was CA thinking. No other faction closely compares to the significance of Bohemia. Sure there are factions that deserve to be in MTW2 more than some that already are, but aside from the few top 5 players in Europe, Bohemia was as powerful as any.

[caprera]

I've seen in the faction list that MILAN, my city, is in... I'm really excited for this, and i hope to use from the start. For others factions like "the russians" ,as CA called them, or in general eastern reigns, i'm happy too. Btw i'm with those here that despise the fact that were joined toghether as Kiev,Novgorod and Moskow, or ignored like Bohemia...but for this there's the most powerful modding community, RIGHT ?!?!?

[JANOSIK007]

modding is not the same as being included in the original.

If the faction is in the original it will be acknowledged by everyone who buys the game. It will serve as a reminder to everyone that this faction was important. If they see someone like Milan, no offence, and not Bohemia, some who know very little about history may make rash conclusions.