Horsemen Of The Steppe

[matmohair1]

will the Khanate of Taiga be able to recruit Siberian tribal warriors as well ?
- I noticed that they were on the far North-East of the map
- they will make great AOR units & mercenaries

http://depositfiles.com/en/files/nwxpcx2u8

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[Hae Shin]

Oh, It will be a great idea I think.

[Tatarasei]

Maybe is this symbol use for Taiga Khanate?? because there is not a true symbol of the taiga khanate.



Kara-Khitai or Kara-Khitan's Flag/Banner

[Silesian_Noble]

Tatarasei, thanks for your work, there are some good materials you posted. But the Ghaznavid map you posted shows the greatest range of their state which of course is not valid in 1040y after they lost the Dandanaqan battle (in 1034y they also lost Kirman to Abbasids). So keep researching mate

will the Khanate of Taiga be able to recruit Siberian tribal warriors as well ?

- I noticed that they were on the far North-East of the map
- they will make great AOR units & mercenaries

I think that the term 'Siberian is of later origin (it's originated in 'Sibir' name which states for settlement of Mongol times). But I might be wrong here. Also some info you posted refer to much later period (XVIIc) while we must stick to our time frame (1040-1205).

http://depositfiles.com/en/files/nwxpcx2u8

Thanks but I already have that book This is truly fantastic source of images for Taiga warriors reconstruction.

Maybe is this symbol use for Taiga Khanate?? because there is not a true symbol of the taiga khanate.

But why you picked this symbol? What is its genesis and meaning? Also please write few sentences about Kara Khitan symbol you posted, what is its origin and why would it be good for faction symbol?

[Tatarasei]

Tatarasei, thanks for your work, there are some good materials you posted. But the Ghaznavid map you posted shows the greatest range of their state which of course is not valid in 1040y after they lost the Dandanaqan battle (in 1034y they also lost Kirman to Abbasids). So keep researching mate

I think that the term 'Siberian is of later origin (it's originated in 'Sibir' name which states for settlement of Mongol times). But I might be wrong here. Also some info you posted refer to much later period (XVIIc) while we must stick to our time frame (1040-1205).

Thanks but I already have that book This is truly fantastic source of images for Taiga warriors reconstruction.

But why you picked this symbol? What is its genesis and meaning? Also please write few sentences about Kara Khitan symbol you posted, what is its origin and why would it be good for faction symbol?

your welcome thanks, i make self a map of ghaznavids in 1040 okay i'll do it mate

about name sibir that name was in huns of asia time 300's BC too it was one of the greatest clan of Altaic peoples:

the khanate of Sibir is founded in times of the Mongols

but sibir clan was before that time too it is one of the oldest clan in asia. in 6th century Sibir Khan one of the Gokturks khans name. and the asia clan descendant of the huns/xiongnu:

Sabirs, Sabaroi, Sabiri, Savari, Sabans, Sibirs, Suvars, Zubur, Subartuans,
Aksuvars, Aksungurs, Severyans, and other variations

SABIR A Hunnic tribe that briefly established a powerful state north of the Caucasus. They may have been attested to as early as 124 BCE, in which case they are ultimately Sarmatian or Scythian in origin. They were allied with Sassanid Persia until c.550, when they were enticed to join a Byzantine-led coalition.

that symbol of Taiga i founded on google.com but maybe we can use better a tamga i search it right now the true tamga of the Siberian clans and one of that can we use for Taiga's

and about that Kara-Khitan symbol Kara-Khitans was Tatar origin people most know that Tatars are Turkic-Mongolic peoples is. so that symbol with horse/bow is good for Kara-Khitans.

Kara-Khitans


Taiga Khanate
1.


2 & 3.

[tibu17]

Khanty-Mansi people is brother with Hungarians.
They are to be finno-ugric people.
They are lived in Siberia about 1040 and 1050 years.

[Silesian_Noble]

Khanty-Mansi people is brother with Hungarians.
They are to be finno-ugric people.
They are lived in Siberia about 1040 and 1050 years.

...and? What do you propose exactly?

[tibu17]

...and? What do you propose exactly?

So do you know magna hungaria?
They are lived with evenkis and nenets.

[Silesian_Noble]

Some interesting info here but...I think only few historians claim that the name Sibir came from Sabir people and it probably doesn't. The trail of the Gokturks khan named Sibir is I think more reliable but certainly needs to be better researched. Also are you sure that Khitan people were of Tatar origin? I mean the fact that they were Mongolic is well known, but Tatar? Also 1, 2, 3 Taiga's symbols - where did you find them? And do you know what they represent, what was their meaning?

[Tatarasei]

Some interesting info here but...I think only few historians claim that the name Sibir came from Sabir people and it probably doesn't. The trail of the Gokturks khan named Sibir is I think more reliable but certainly needs to be better researched. Also are you sure that Khitan people were of Tatar origin? I mean the fact that they were Mongolic is well known, but Tatar? Also 1, 2, 3 Taiga's symbols - where did you find them? And do you know what they represent, what was their meaning?

okay that symbols are Hunnic, Sabir ( Sibir ) Siberian Tatars symbol.

and about that Khitans:

Most know it that Khitans are a Nomadic Mongolic peoples is, Qishou Khagan, a descendent of Tanshihuai Khan of the Xianbei state. not only Mongols but most Tatars, Cumans, Kypchaks as Kimaks tribes are from Xianbei Tatars, Cumans, Kypchaks as Kimaks are mixed with Mongol & Turkic tribes
and there was only one tungusic clan.

here is 2 pictures i found it on ural-altaic peoples page





about Tatars:

The original Tatars inhabited the north-eastern Gobi in the 5th century and, after subjugation in the 9th century by the Khitans, migrated southward. In the 13th century, they were subjugated by the Mongol Empire under Genghis Khan. Under the leadership of his grandson Batu Khan, they moved westwards, driving with them many stems of the Turkic Ural-Altayans towards the plains of Russia.

In Europe, they were assimilated by the local populations or their name spread to the conquered peoples: Kipchaks, Kimaks and others; and elsewhere with Finno-Ugric speaking peoples, as well as with remnants of the ancient Greek colonies in the Crimea and Caucasians in the Caucasus.

Siberian Tatars are survivors of the Turkic population of the Ural-Altaic region, mixed to some extent with the speakers of Uralic languages, as well as with Mongols. Later, each group adopted Turkic languages and many adopted Islam. The three ethnic descendants of the original 13th-century westward migration are Volga Tatars, Lipka Tatars and Crimean Tatars.

Tatars comprise a spectrum of physical appearance, ranging from Mongoloid and Caucasoid or a mixture of both and have an Asian origin.

Tartary or Great Tartary (Latin: Tataria or Tataria Magna) was a name used by Europeans from the Middle Ages until the twentieth century to designate a great tract of northern and central Asia stretching from the Caspian Sea and the Ural Mountains to the Pacific Ocean inhabited by Turkic and Mongol peoples of the Mongol Empire who were generically referred to as "Tartars", i.e. Tatars. It incorporated the current areas of Siberia, Turkestan (including East Turkestan), Greater Mongolia, Manchuria, and sometimes Tibet.

[Hae Shin]

Khitan people are a Tungusic people. Tunguzs are one of the Altaic peoples with Mongols,Japans,Turks and Koreans. They are not Mongols, they are Tunguzs.
Also Tatars are one of the biggest Turkic clans. They are also not Mongols.

And, I really want to see heavy cavalries in this mod. We know that Altaic peoples wear lamellar armours to ride horse easily. Göktürks and Koguryeo had the best armoured cavalries in their century. I dont know much about Uighurs but, they have to be have heavy cavalries too.

I want to share some pictures :

Göktürks used heavy cavalry men too much. On their helmets there were feathers.


The warrior at the left is a Göktürk warrior.

So I think, Uighur warriors should be look like them.

Also Kyrgzs did



And this is the Turkish face type from 1000 or 1100 AD

[Hae Shin]

Now, I agree with you. But I know that Khitans are Tungusic. They also invaded Korea's Goryeo dynasty and they refer them as Tungusic.
Also I am a Tatar too.

[tibu17]

Also I am a Tatar too.

With you...

[Silesian_Noble]

Kyrgyz army will be a very heavy armored one, surprisingly heavy as for nomads. But their heavy armor will be a bit archaic, lamellar with some wooden elements and with no mail. Uighurs army will also be very heavy, but their armor will be more advanced.

Speaking about ethnical origin, we shall also decide what will the cultures be and what factions will each culture include. Hardcoded number of cultures is probably 7. The culture should combine similar ethnic origin, religion, architecture, way of life etc.

And BTW, I'm preparing a nice surprise for you tomorrow

[toluas]

And BTW, I'm preparing a nice surprise for you tomorrow

Bring it on!

[Tatarasei]

Kyrgyz army will be a very heavy armored one, surprisingly heavy as for nomads. But their heavy armor will be a bit archaic, lamellar with some wooden elements and with no mail. Uighurs army will also be very heavy, but their armor will be more advanced.

Speaking about ethnical origin, we shall also decide what will the cultures be and what factions will each culture include. Hardcoded number of cultures is probably 7. The culture should combine similar ethnic origin, religion, architecture, way of life etc.

And BTW, I'm preparing a nice surprise for you tomorrow

nice lets show surprise


btw, ghaznavids family tree


Ghaznavid Empire:

Family Tree

Alptigin - 961-963 ( Slave-Turk origin ) - birth date 890 death date 963? age 27 in 1040 was age 150

Bilge Tegin - 963-975 ( Slave-Turk origin ) - birth date 893? death date 975 age 82 in 1040 was age 153

Böri Tegin - 975-977 ( Slave-Turk origin ) - birth date 894? death date 9?? age ?? in 1040 age ???


Sebüktigin - 977-997 ( Slave-Turk origin ) - birth date 942? death date 997 age was 55 in 1040 was age 98

Second son of Sebüktigin is Esma'il - 997-998 - birth date 972 death date 998? age 26 in 1040 was age 68

Esma'il's sons:

Alp-Tegin birth date 997? death date 10?? in 1040 was age 44 ( he give his eldest son this name because general of his father was the founded the ghaznavids empire )

Sebük-Tegin birth date 999? death date 10?? in 1040 was age 41 ( he gived his second youngest son this name because it was name of his father and great grand-father's name )


First son of Sebüktigin is Mahmüd ( Mahmud of Ghaznavid - Great Sultan ) - 998-1030 - birth date 971 death date 1030 age is 59 in 1040 was age 69

Mahmud of Ghaznavids Sons is

Mohammad - 1030-1041 birth date 997 death date 1041 age is 44 in 1040 was age 43 ( his son Ahmed )

Masüd I - 1030-1041 ( Masüd I was the Royal Sultan after Mahmud of Ghaznavi ) in Mod can you add Masüd I as Sultan of the all Ghaznavids the Faction Leader. birth date 998 death date 1041 afe is 43 in 1040 was age 42

Abd-al Rasid - 1049-52 birth date 1000 death date 1052? age is 52 in 1040 was 40


Mohammad's son: Ahmed birth date 1009 death date ? in 1040 was age 31


Masüd I sons is:

Mawdüd - 1041-1048 ( First son of Masüd I and Crown Prince after his death became his son Masüd II, Masüd II's mother was the Daughter of Chagri Beg from Great Seljuk-Türks. ) birth date 1011 death date 1049 age 38 in 1040 was age 29

Ali - 1048-1049 birth date 1012? death date 1049 age 37 in 1040 was age 28

Farrokzäd - 1053-1059 birth date 1014? death date 1059 age 45 in 1040 was age 26

Ebrahim - 1059-1099 birth date 1016? death date 1099 age 83 in 1040 was age 24


Mawdüd's son is

Mas'üd II - 1048-1049 birth date 1031 death date 1??? in 1040 age was 9


Ebrahim's son

Mas'üd III - 1099-1115 birth date 1061 death date 1115 age 54 in 1040 age was -21


General's in&after 1040 ad

Tugrul Kozan - Sultan Abd-al Rasid's General birth date 1000? death date 1052 age was in 1040 40

[Silesian_Noble]

First of all I would like to express my great gratitude to all the supporters of HotS project. Within just several days the thread was viewed over 20.000 times which is an excellent score and means that the steppic project has been received very favourably. It convinces me also, that project like HotS is needful and plenty people will try it when it is done. This knowledge gives me motivation for further work. As a thank you I would like to give a little present to all you guys and make an announcement.

The big news for today is that I managed to launch prototype of the HotS map yesterday! Of course this is very early stage of map development but this is a great step forward. I will systematically develop this map, which for the nearest future means addition of the settlements up to the 199 slots limit. Also as HotS got now own mod-folder, the scripting may starts. And for the first time you will be able to see some real screen shots which will give you a bit of idea how the HotS will look like.

Below I present you a few screen shots from the early stage of map development. You will be able to see the scale of the HotS world. Also I present you a new map-drawing which includes all the settlements implemented so far. This map-drawing will be updated regularly with a fresh portion of the screen shots as well. You are welcome to make your comments and suggestions. In the end I need to make a note about the rivers - their amount will probably be decreased because I'm afraid the game may not handle well such advanced river system.

Sneak preview of the early stage map.

Yangikent


Hormuz


Saqsin


Balasaghun


Bagdad


HotS map drawing.


I hope you liked that little show And please remember, all dear modders and researchers, HotS needs you! If you are interested in HotS project – the doors to the team are open for you!

[tibu17]

Do you need musician moddeler?
I working on Silk Wars musics.

[Tureuki]

Good job

[Hae Shin]

Umm... I can't see the pictures. Can you upload them on an other image uploader please?