Horsemen Of The Steppe

[VINC.XXIII]

"try myself in that job."
I mod since 2 months, any human could make that, with some patience^^

[AlphaDelta]

Feel free to use all of my B.C work, which is pretty much everything found in BC 1.0 except for the map, music, traits the ERE units, the Ghulam units and Turkopoles.

Good luck.

Cheers

[StuporMundi]

Cool concept. One would need to be down with horse archery, I presume.

[Roboute Guilliman]

You could maybe work with the great conflicts together aswell, almost the same timeframe.

[Silesian_Noble]

Again, a big thank you for all generous words of HotS supporters.

Feel free to use all of my B.C work, which is pretty much everything found in BC 1.0 except for the map, music, traits the ERE units, the Ghulam units and Turkopoles.

Thank you AlphaDelta for such generous gift. Your support means a lot to me. Also please remember, that if you like to create some middle east warriors again any time in the future, you will be always highly welcomed to cooperate with HotS project.

You could maybe work with the great conflicts together aswell, almost the same timeframe.

Well not exactly the same time frame. I mean HotS history begin a bit earlier than TGC ends. Still I must admit that tons of materials (especially related with ERE, Hungary, Kiev, Petchenegs) could be of course shared by both projects. From the other hand in current point HotS project is not able to cooperate with such respected mod as TGC. HotS has just been started, we need to develop major ideas, create some stuff, prove that we are serious guys who know what to do and how to do. Than we will be valuable partner for TGC (and other projects as well). Right now we need to focus on HotS organization and work, work, work...

I hope to start the real modding work in the incoming week. Map is first target and this is the kind of job I like to do and know how to do, so I hope you won't wait too long for nice stuff original by HotS

[toluas]

I hope to start the real modding work in the incoming week. Map is first target and this is the kind of job I like to do and know how to do, so I hope you won't wait too long for nice stuff original by HotS

Good luck and looking forward to seeing the fruit of your labour.

[absinthia]

Well not exactly the same time frame. I mean HotS history begin a bit earlier than TGC ends. Still I must admit that tons of materials (especially related with ERE, Hungary, Kiev, Petchenegs) could be of course shared by both projects. From the other hand in current point HotS project is not able to cooperate with such respected mod as TGC.

well, we at the TGC are not very hard to deal with. and at least the Roman roster being developed for TGC is intended to be "free for all", as it is part of the CBUR project.

[Silesian_Noble]

Good news is that a few guys are ready to help (in both research and modding) so I'm getting optimistic. But still I miss another HotS fanatic like me

well, we at the TGC are not very hard to deal with. and at least the Roman roster being developed for TGC is intended to be "free for all", as it is part of the CBUR project.

Good to know that, absinthia I will contact CBUR team when the right time come (first I need to organise plenty stuff and built some team).

[Boztorgai_Khan]

Researching about this Factions can I help you:

Shamanism:
Qaghanate of Kimaks
Khanate of Qumans
Khanate of Qpichaks
Khanate of Bashkirs
Principality of Great Perm
Khatante of Kyrgyz
Khanate of Taiga
Qaghanate of Kara Khitans
Islam (it will be splitted into Sunni and Shia)
Khante of Western Qarakhanids
Khanate of Eastern Qarakhanids
Khanate of Volga-Bulgars
Shahdom of Khwarezm
Great Sultanate of Seljuks
Sultanate of Ghaznavids
Yabgu of Oghuz
Khanate of Pechenegs
Buddhist
Idiqut of Uighurs

[Silesian_Noble]

OK guys, I have few modders interested in supporting HotS project so I think this is a good time to announce researchers recruitment! Though to be honest a few researchers already signed in


There is plenty stuff to be researched, for example:

[URGENT: I found a skilled 2d artist that agreed to make those below]
- coas for all factions
- ideas for official logo

Also:
- family trees for all factions
- historical events
- settlements details (I hope to post the sketch of map with all settlements on it within a few weeks)
- economy details (for example resources availability)
- details about religions and cultures
- new building ideas
- Traits and Ancillaries ideas
- gameplay ides
- warfare / unit ideas
- and many more...

I invite every good man to cooperation for the benefit of HotS project

[ALFAJI]

the emirate of mosul ( the uqilids )

culture = arabic

religion = shia muslims

capital = mosul

rulers

qurwash abn almuqalad

crown prince

barakah ben almuqalad


units
emir guards
demonted emirs guards
musibi nobel men
furati horsmen
uqili tribalmen
arab sowrdsmen
askar horse men
kurdish infantry
Baudouins
ghulmans

this is for the start

[VINC.XXIII]

the emirate of mosul ( the uqilids )
http://rpmedia.ask.com/ts?u=/wikiped...ail_lion_7.png

The Ismail Lion, Resurrection said me that is the true symbol for this faction...But green or red, maybe not stylised as well with very complex calligraphy.

[Silesian_Noble]

Alfaji, thank you for the info. As for the proposed units - I will PM you

Rus-Bey, thanks for the CoA. But I'm afraid that when the picture is downsize to coa frame it may become blury. Isn't there a bit simpler version of that CoA?

[Tatarasei]

nice map nice to see steppe factions & asia map

[VINC.XXIII]

ABHORRO TUUM VIA NEGATIVA
and yes Alfaji is so far more able to find good illustration of this Lion.

[Tatarasei]

Seljuk-Turks:



Rulers of the Seljuq Dynasty

The "Great Seljuqs" were heads of the family; in theory their authority extended over all the other Seljuq lines, although in practice this often was not the case. Turkish custom called for the senior member of the family to be the Great Seljuq, although usually the position was associated with the ruler of western Persia.

Tugrul I (Tugrul Beg) 1037–1063
Alp Arslan bin Chaghri 1063–1072
Jalal ad-Dawlah Malik Shah I 1072–1092
Nasir ad-Din Mahmud I 1092–1093
Rukn ad-Din Barkiyaruq 1093–1104
Mu'izz ad-Din Malik Shah II 1105
Ghiyath ad-Din Muhammad/Mehmed I Tapar 1105–1118

Muhammad's son Mahmud II succeeded him in western Persia, but Sanjar, the governor of Khurasan from 1097 and the senior member of the family, became the Great Seljuq sultan

Mu'izz ad-Din Ahmed Sanjar 1118–1157

From 1157, the Oghuz took control of much of Khurasan, with the remainder in the hands of former Seljuq emirs.

[Silesian_Noble]

@Rus-Bey
We have two great Arabian researchers on board - Alfaji and matmohair1, I'm pretty sure they will find suitable references for Arabian coas.

@Tatarasei
The info you presented is widely known. We need much more detailed info. For example list of other family members and some popular general Tugrul generals.

@All
Also speaking about coas. We need to know on what kind of items the coats were historically presented. I mean it was not always shields, but maybe special banners or other textiles? Or where there other symbols of the rulers? Like for nomads - bunchuk item or Tamga symbol. We need detailed info for all factions. Will you help?

[atalay1988]

Hi, let me tell you an information about the pechenegs. They were not Muslim, they were shaman. they never became muslim as group. And Yabgu of Oghuz was not muslim too by 1040, they become muslim later. if the mod will start on 1040 then yabgu of oghuz must start as shaman. Seljuk beg (founder of seljuk empire) was paying tax to yabgu of oghuz normally but when the Selcuk beg become muslim he stopped paying the tax and he said "muslims do not pay tax to infidels" and this shows that they were not muslim by then. For the Pecheneg flag, i think didnt really have a country flag because they were never really a proper country so maybe u could use pecheneg tribal tamga(symbol,sign) for their flag. i tried posting it to here but i couldnt do it so if u wanna find that tamga just search as "pecenek damga" then u will find it easily.

[Tatarasei]

Pecheneg's Tamga




Oghuz Yabgu Tamga ( maybe this will best for Oghuzes ) Bow with 3 Arrow symbol of Oghuz Khan's Childs


Or maybe a Wolf head symbol, they was most used by oghuzes clans as official symbol.

Here is 3 what i can find it:

1. pic



( just kidding )

Here is 2:



3:




What do you guys think it ?

[Tatarasei]

Oguz Yabgu State (Oguz Il, meaning Oguz Land, Oguz Country), was a Turkish state, founded by Oguz Turks long before the 10th century, located geographically in an area between the east coasts of Hazar (Caspian) Sea and Aral Sea. The state was founded in Eni-Kent which was an Oguz yayla (summer village). Oguz Il extended from "Issyk Kul and Almalyk, in the south to Sairam, in the west the city of Yangikent, which stands at the mouth of the river Syr (Syr-darya), and to the Kara- Kum (desert)"

The capital of the Oguz Il was variously spelled Eni-Kent, Djanikand, Yenikent, Yanikand, all meaning New City, and also in Arabic literature al-Kariya al-Hadisa and in Persian literature Deh-i Hay, presently it is a Central Asian ghost town Jankent. The Chinese sources that ascend to the 7th and 8th centuries, the Oguz confederation Tokuz Oguz (Chinese Gu-su, Кut for Oguz) is consistently shown in the vicinity of Issyk Kul - Talas, from the Issyk Kul area the center of the Oguz confederation shifted to the lower course of the Syr-darya under a pressure of the refugees of the Shary ("Yellow Kipchak") tribe. "In the 8th century. Oguzes were already on Syr-darya outside of the ten arrows Türkic Kaganate (Western Turkic Kaganate)"

The state was reigned by the ruler of the Oguz Turks with the title of Yabgu which is similar with other Turkish ruling titles such as Khan, Giray, and Kagan/Hakan, but initially with a status below Kagan/Hakan. The army was commanded by Subaşı. "Sü" (su) means "Army" in Turkish and "başı" (bashi) is for "the head of" or "the ruler of".
The Oguz Il state existed for 3 centuries. Another Turkic budun (people, tribe, laymen) Kimeks of the Kimek Kaganate ended the state by the 12th century. By that time, Selçuk Bey and his Kınık tribe (boy) headed to Persia to found their own Muslim state which in the future would become the Great Seljuq Empire.


Seljuk (Turkish: Selçuk, Arabic: سلجوق; also Seldjuk, Seldjuq, Seljuq) (died ca. 1038) was the eponymous hero of the Seljuk Turks. He was the son of a certain Duqaq surnamed Timuryaligh -of the iron bow- and either the chief or an eminent member from the Kınık tribe of the Oghuz Turks. In about 985 the Seljuk clan split off from the bulk of the Tokuz-Oghuz, a confederacy of nine clans long settled between the Aral and Caspian Seas, and set up camp on the right bank of the lower Syr Darya (Jaxartes), in the direction of Jend, near Kzyl Orda in present day south-central Kazakhstan where they converted to Islam.

The biblical names of his four sons -Mikâîl, Isrâîl (Arslan), Mûsâ, and Yûnus (Jonah)- suggest previous acquaintance with either Khazar Judaism or Nestorian Christianity. According to some sources, Seljuk began his career as an officer in the Khazar army.

Under Mikail's sons Toghrul and Chaghri the Seljuks migrated into Khurasan. Ghaznavid attempts to stop Seljuks raiding the local Muslim populace led to the Battle of Dandanaqan on 23 May 1040. Victorious Seljuks became masters of Khurasan, expanding their power into Transoxiana and across Iran. By 1055 Toghrul had expanded his control all the way to Baghdad, setting himself up as the champion of the Abbasid caliph, who honored him with the title sultan. Earlier rulers may have used this title but the Seljuks seem to have been the first to inscribe it on their coins.

Founder of Great Seljuk Empire.