multiple family tree?

**Odovacar** · January 25, 2011, 05:55 AM

I've tried to locate the answer first but I couldn't by browsing through 36 pages in RS2 forum.

What exactly means that you have multiple family trees? And not adoptable?

Does it mean, that you have multiple framilies with children, etc, just you don't see them? You couldn't adopt let's say Scipio in the "royal" family?

I would like to get a more meaningful family as leaders as the "maximus" family because their name doesn't sound to me very old, rather a late roman family name.

I might be wrong, but I would like to make the Scipio family to be leaders. If I can.

**General Brittanicus** · January 25, 2011, 06:16 AM

There are multiple family trees for some of the factions, only the one which is currently in power can be seen on the family tree screen though. Theoretically if one of the sipio's became the heir then you could change the scipio's to the ruling family and then there family tree would be visible instead of the maximus one. I don't know how rtw determines who the next heir will be though, so i don't know if you'd have to kill all the maximus children off to get it to the scipio's.

**chris10** · January 25, 2011, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by General Brittanicus

There are multiple family trees for some of the factions, only the one which is currently in power can be seen on the family tree screen though. Theoretically if one of the sipio's became the heir then you could change the scipio's to the ruling family and then there family tree would be visible instead of the maximus one. I don't know how rtw determines who the next heir will be though, so i don't know if you'd have to kill all the maximus children off to get it to the scipio's.

I think killing all possible heirs (boat accident

) in the ruling family should lead inevitable to the raise to power of another family once the Faction Leader dies but it will be impossible to determine which family it will be.
Additionally it might be ver very difficult to erradicate a family tree when they still have youngsters of minor age who appear later but meanwhile they adopt new males having new children and so on....

**Odovacar** · January 25, 2011, 06:57 AM

tHanks for the answers, I found similar ones on page 38

I have a character who is not a member of leader family and he have "successor" above his name. I think he may be the next leader if the faction leader dies...

**Blatta Optima Maxima** · January 25, 2011, 07:19 AM

Doesn't rtw select the next leader by influence? (If no direct descendants are available)

**dvk901** · January 25, 2011, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by Odovacar

I've tried to locate the answer first but I couldn't by browsing through 36 pages in RS2 forum.

What exactly means that you have multiple family trees? And not adoptable?

Does it mean, that you have multiple framilies with children, etc, just you don't see them? You couldn't adopt let's say Scipio in the "royal" family?

I would like to get a more meaningful family as leaders as the "maximus" family because their name doesn't sound to me very old, rather a late roman family name.

I might be wrong, but I would like to make the Scipio family to be leaders. If I can.

The starting leader of the Romans is actually a historical character whose name was 'Quintus Fabius Maximus', who was a Consul at the time. Roman names consisted of a 'Praenomen' (of which there were only 17 names for ages), a 'Nomen' (which was the family name or 'Gens', such as Fabius), and a 'Cognomen'...which was a nickname, sometimes not very complimentary, either. This name was usually inherited from the father, but not always, as it may not apply to the son. For example, 'Maximus' means largest or greatest. It could mean the father and family were 'Great', or than Quintus Fabius himself was a very large man. At any rate, the 'Fabia' gens is one of the oldest Roman gens, and the man's 'last' name, so to speak, is actually Fabius Maximus.

The use of last names, BTW, was not 'invented' until the early 1800's, when Napoleon insisted that everyone in his empire have a first and last name for census reasons.

**Odovacar** · January 25, 2011, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by dvk901

The starting leader of the Romans is actually a historical character whose name was 'Quintus Fabius Maximus', who was a Consul at the time. Roman names consisted of a 'Praenomen' (of which there were only 17 names for ages), a 'Nomen' (which was the family name or 'Gens', such as Fabius), and a 'Cognomen'...which was a nickname, sometimes not very complimentary, either. This name was usually inherited from the father, but not always, as it may not apply to the son. For example, 'Maximus' means largest or greatest. It could mean the father and family were 'Great', or than Quintus Fabius himself was a very large man. At any rate, the 'Fabia' gens is one of the oldest Roman gens, and the man's 'last' name, so to speak, is actually Fabius Maximus.

The use of last names, BTW, was not 'invented' until the early 1800's, when Napoleon insisted that everyone in his empire have a first and last name for census reasons.

Thanks for the info. I disagree about the invention of family names as they started to appear since 14th century (for nobles) etc etc it's not important here.

The problem is that every family member will inherit that personal nickname "Maximus"
But I guess I just need to kill all possible heirs to get rid of these guys....

**Nevins** · January 25, 2011, 10:32 AM

Quick related question: Was it intentional that all of the generals offered for marriage are 60+? Is this to keep the number of generals only related to how many you are training? (This is as Rome.)

**Wulfburk** · January 25, 2011, 11:00 PM

really? never noticed that, hm

**military tribune** · January 26, 2011, 02:41 AM

My experience is, early in game generals offered for marriage are still of "normal" ages, 20+ or 30+. but as game develops, old man starts to show up.

**chris10** · January 26, 2011, 03:53 AM

Originally Posted by military tribune

My experience is, early in game generals offered for marriage are still of "normal" ages, 20+ or 30+. but as game develops, old man starts to show up.

.....true....maybe this has to do with the amount of children still to become major of age and that they are older because they only needed for a short time until new characters become major of age...dont know though...

**Danny087** · April 12, 2011, 10:02 AM

Hi,

i understood this thing with the hidden family trees, but I got three additional questions:

1. Do the hidden families' children get available for using when they come of age?

2. Is it possible to adopt a recruited general?

3. Is it possible to found an additional hidden family tree somehow or are there just those you
start with?

Would be very kind if someone knew the answers :-)

**chris10** · April 12, 2011, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by Danny087

Hi,

i understood this thing with the hidden family trees, but I got three additional questions:

1. Do the hidden families' children get available for using when they come of age?

2. Is it possible to adopt a recruited general?

3. Is it possible to found an additional hidden family tree somehow or are there just those you
start with?

Would be very kind if someone knew the answers :-)

1. AFAIK...Yes
2. recruited Generals are adopted by an internal brother_adopt event but the player has no influence over that
3. Iam not very sprecialized in this aspect but possibly yes...family trees are coded in the descr_strat file which determines all existing things at game start...however...doin this for another than the Players Faction could be problematic cause of some engine problems...

**Danny087** · April 12, 2011, 10:34 AM

thanks for quick reply!

As for question 3, perhaps i expressed myself wrong. I ment if its possible to found a new tree during the running campaign somhow? And not through modding but by normal game possibilities.