FATW: Heir to the Kings of Men.

[Revelo]

Hey guys, been a while since I posted. But I've had an idea forming in my head for some time and while I don't expect it to go beyond an idea, but I wanted to just post it on here for the hell of it and see what people think.

But basically I had an idea for a bonus campaign or mini mod, whatever you want to call it. It's set 10 years after the start of The New Shadow, The Reunited Kingdom is losing in the war with the Kingdom of Aundabar, and badly too. The constantly outpouring of Orcs and Cultists from the land of Mordor has caused defeat after defeat, Minas Tirith has fallen, darkness is everywhere. Thanks to the constant withdrawal of troops from the west to try and stem the flow of evil Dunland has encroached on more RK teritory. All the RK has left to control is the lands surrounding Dol Amroth. The linages of Elendil and Hurin are nearly gone, the king is dead.

However the last son of the king, a 16 year old boy with no experience of rulling has stepped up to lead the Men of the West. He is the heir of Elessar and the last remaining hope for all free men.

It plays a bit like King Arthur combined with LoTR really, a young man whos steps up to lead his people to glory. It wouldn't change much though, mainly just who is alive and who controls what, Dunland and Aundabar having more teritories and being much stronger overall. Thinking of expanding Harad and Rhun and having a lot of tensions between them and Aundabar as well. Maybe have Rohan expand north somewhat but also under threat from a stronger Dunland too.

Just an idea, but thoughts on this?

[Aradan]

Interesting scenario.

[StealthEvo]

I could lend him a hand when I finish my mad mod rush week/two weeks elsewhere. Who knows it might turn out to be a fantastic if not slighty cliche secondary campaign

[Revelo]

I've not really delved into the modding tools on RTW. The only mods I ever did were some small ones for Morrowind. Although this is a pretty simple idea, just change around who controls what territories and who is alive.

But I have always been fond of "What If?" scenarios. Exploring how things may have turned out. I'm wondering what other types of scenario could be thought up for this mod.

[The_Valiant]

Could be an aar...

[Spike]

interesting scenario

but with elves and dwarves arround?

plus Rohan will intervene if Adunabar goes too strong, unless they are bribed or something

[Finrod Felagund]

One of the first times I played with campaign modding I did something very similar to this, biggest difference being that I had the Harad/Corsairs succeed in dominating western Gondor & I upped the aggression between Dunland, Harad & Adunabar. I also included more Palantir & Blades of Westerness, purely for my own enjoyment... I did also include a mixed stack of Dwarves, Elves & Dale troops (a rescue party for the RK, if you will) but I had played around with these units within the standard campaign previously anyway.

One problem I did have (and this is because I'm a sticker for trying to keep the three great Houses about - in my current game the House of Hurin is now no more and the role of Steward & Prince of Ithilien has passed to a sub-branch of the House of Galador) was that there wasn't a huge number of births within the family members. I think this is because the number of generals within your faction is directed linked to the number of provinces your faction controls - the more provinces, the more family members born. As a rule I never accept adoptions, Man of the Hour events or female family member marriages purely to increase likelihood of male births within the Great Houses and thus maintain the lineages.

Was a great scenario though and didn't take much to do. Copy the_new_shadow folder, alter the decr_strat.txt file and you're there. Have fun reclaiming Pelagir & Minas Tirith!

Edit: After reading another thread here, maybe an Adunabar presence in western Gondor might be interesting, rather than Harad/Corsairs... A counter revolution in eastern Mordor, back to RK from Adunabar, Rohan dominance in Rhovanion & Dunland, Adunabar dominating Rhun as a protectorate - the possibilities are endless really.

This thing all things devours:
Birds, beasts, trees, flowers;
Gnaws iron, bites steel;
Grinds hard stones to meal;
Slays king, ruins town,
And beats high mountain down.

There is never enough of it!

[Revelo]

One of the first times I played with campaign modding I did something very similar to this, biggest difference being that I had the Harad/Corsairs succeed in dominating western Gondor & I upped the aggression between Dunland, Harad & Adunabar. I also included more Palantir & Blades of Westerness, purely for my own enjoyment... I did also include a mixed stack of Dwarves, Elves & Dale troops (a rescue party for the RK, if you will) but I had played around with these units within the standard campaign previously anyway.

One problem I did have (and this is because I'm a sticker for trying to keep the three great Houses about - in my current game the House of Hurin is now no more and the role of Steward & Prince of Ithilien has passed to a sub-branch of the House of Galador) was that there wasn't a huge number of births within the family members. I think this is because the number of generals within your faction is directed linked to the number of provinces your faction controls - the more provinces, the more family members born. As a rule I never accept adoptions, Man of the Hour events or female family member marriages purely to increase likelihood of male births within the Great Houses and thus maintain the lineages.

Was a great scenario though and didn't take much to do. Copy the_new_shadow folder, alter the decr_strat.txt file and you're there. Have fun reclaiming Pelagir & Minas Tirith!

Edit: After reading another thread here, maybe an Adunabar presence in western Gondor might be interesting, rather than Harad/Corsairs... A counter revolution in eastern Mordor, back to RK from Adunabar, Rohan dominance in Rhovanion & Dunland, Adunabar dominating Rhun as a protectorate - the possibilities are endless really.

This thing all things devours:
Birds, beasts, trees, flowers;
Gnaws iron, bites steel;
Grinds hard stones to meal;
Slays king, ruins town,
And beats high mountain down.

There is never enough of it!

woah... I know what my evening involves now.

[Aradan]

If anyone has a finished modified campaign to share, please do. I like those kind of scenarios.

Since DoM's campaign has been moved to the main campaign slot, maybe the provincial campaigns list can be used to host fan-made scenarios (as well as any official scenarios we might add later).

[Revelo]

If anyone has a finished modified campaign to share, please do. I like those kind of scenarios.

Since DoM's campaign has been moved to the main campaign slot, maybe the provincial campaigns list can be used to host fan-made scenarios (as well as any official scenarios we might add later).

So my campaign called Dominion of Dwarves: Elven Bloodbath will have a home then?

I think a few fan-made scenarios would be great to be included in DoM to help add to the variety and (long!) life of the game.

[Aradan]

So my campaign called Dominion of Dwarves: Elven Bloodbath will have a home then?

Sure, why not.

I think a few fan-made scenarios would be great to be included in DoM to help add to the variety and (long!) life of the game.

Since provincial campaigns are self-contained and don't change anything outside their own folder, there can be a billion of them, no need to limit them to "a few"; unless you're talking about 'officially endorsed' fan-made PCs.

[Spike]

So my campaign called Dominion of Dwarves: Elven Bloodbath will have a home then?

I think a few fan-made scenarios would be great to be included in DoM to help add to the variety and (long!) life of the game.

+rep for this

but actually I want to use dwarves as arrow cushion

[Finrod Felagund]

If anyone has a finished modified campaign to share, please do. I like those kind of scenarios.

Since DoM's campaign has been moved to the main campaign slot, maybe the provincial campaigns list can be used to host fan-made scenarios (as well as any official scenarios we might add later).

When I get back to my hard drives in Oz, I have a few I'd be happy to share... Just need a few months. Anyone else?

As an aside, I found that when I was working on my 'War of the Jewels' sub-campaign it appeared in the provincial campaigns list. I had copied the_new_shadow folder and changed its name to war_of_the_jewels, which is exactly as it appeared in the campaign selection list. Having said all this, it was totally by accident and not something that I had planned. Any links to that Mr. Aradan may wish to recommend to us amateurs looking to put scenarios together?

[Aradan]

There are no tutorials about it that I know, but if someone's interested in tackling it, I can explain everything that's needed in a special thread in this forum or something.

[ChazB-]

Id love to upload a provincial campaign or two , i made one once where i added an island to the south east and named it the Undying lands etc. i also made elves and dwarves recruitable , since then ive lost the files but ill happily do it again should anyone be interested, or co-work on a provincial campaign mod if any one needs some help

[Thangaror]

Well, there are some suitable scenarios for a provincial campaign:

- Rise of Angmar
- Dark Ages, Sauron's attack upon Eregion
- The Kin-strife
- Arrival of the Númenóreans (actually two scenarios: Arrival in the north around Lond Daer and in the south)
- Foundation of Gondor
- War of the Dwarves upon the Orcs
- Colonization of the Ered Mithrin by the Dwarves

I like the first four best. But up to now I regard them partially as undoable because the elvish faction needs to be completed. Kin-strife is difficult, because one had to redo some unit skins to separate Eldacar's and Castamir's men. The other scnearios are realistic, if taking some units from Middle-earth: Total War or other mods.
I like the idea to make some new campaigns, but I think we'll have to wait until DoM is released. Though maps and stuff can be prepared already.

Finrod, what did you have in mind concerning your War of the Jewels scenario?

[Finrod Felagund]

Finrod, what did you have in mind concerning your War of the Jewels scenario?

Info on my (currently on hiatus) project can be found here - http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=389758

Any input is greatly appreciated!

Revelo, I'm currently working on your scenario. Will have it uploaded Tuesday if I can get to the internet again - not easy at the moment, I'm in the wilds of Canada & Starbucks is a good distance away.

RK has the lands about Dol Amroth, Cemendur is old and dying, Elessar his son is only 16. But there is hope in the form of Dale, Dwarves & Elves in & around Dorwinion, flocking to the kingdoms defense. Adunabar is uber, Rhun (I never liked them) are subjugated, Harad are dominating, Dunland is all but beaten Rohan.

There's non-recruitable stacks of Elves, Dwarves & Dale troops in the north (thinking of making the Dale troops recruitable in that area) and a few units of Riders of the Mark with the remnants of the RK armies, survivors of the big Adunabar push east, now isolated from getting home.

I'm going to need help with balancing, etc, but if we can tackle this as a community I'm sure we'll knock something out that is okay. Gotta dash but will do my best to get the files uploaded early this week. Please bear in mind that I've got limited spare time at the moment, so it's not going to be a great product first up.

Aradan, do you want to parse the files before they're uploaded? Seems only fair to ask...

[Aradan]

Provincial campaigns are only compatible with each other as long as they change just map files. Anything else, and it becomes a sub-mod, incompatible with other sub-mods.

The idea behind PCs is that you focus on a small(er) part of the map and factions, change the timeframe a bit, that sort of thing, not an overhaul that requires changing units, buildings, faction names, text, banners, etc.

[Aradan]

Nope, no need for me to parse anything, do whatever you like to the files.

[Revelo]

Thanks Finrod, I didn't expect anyone to take this idea seriously I owe you one. Will it be it's own seperate campaign in-game? it sounds really good what you have planned. I can help with balacing required, although not sure what i can contribute.