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    New Historic Battles from 865-1066 is a Proposals and idea, that keeps popping up. Danova himself has said that if you want a Historic Battle you will have to make it your self, became's he is to busy.
    And every time this is said no one replays back or says they will, but never came back.

    But I still would like to see Historic Battles in The Last Kingdom.
    So if anyone knows how to make them and put them in,knows of sum-one that can make them or is willing to learn. can you please let us know.
    also I would like to know what battles you guys want as if we can get this up and going will be looking for around about 7 fights.
    Thanks very much.

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    When I have some more time on my hands I would like to learn to make some, as it will come in handy for my mod but it might be awhile yet.

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    Default Re: Historic Battles

    well i said before that i'd give it a try, as there are good tutorials out there clearly explaining how to make them for any mod. but i think i'll wait until The Last Kingdom is offically released, as there may be changes from the Beta to the released version i think this thread should be used for suggestions for historical battles, and i dont mean just naming a few battles, to make things easier state EVERYTHING thats know about the battle, terrain, exact numbers, army compositions, weather, settlements present etc. Even if, for what ever reason i never get around to trying to make these battles, at least the info would be extremly helpful to anyone else that attempts to do so

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    I agree with you there IrishBlood and if anyone is looking for info on the "battle of clontarf" I have alot of info on it.

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    Here's some info about the Battle of Hastings i've compiled awhile ago:

    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Storm View Post
    One thing I like to really break down is the tactics used at the battle - Harold's Saxon Shieldwall vs. the Norman hit and run tactics.
    Background info:
    After the battle of Stamford Bridge, Harold only had a few days time to march over 185 miles back to Southern England, leaving his troops exhausted. He camped at Long Bennington, before heading to the battle site in Hastings, called Senlac Hill.
    Makeup of Armies:
    The English were entirely made up of English Infantry. They consisted of the Fyrd, which was the bulk of the army, the Thegns, and the Houscarls, which were the core of the army. The Saxon army is estimated at between 7,000 and 8,000 troops.
    The Normans, in sharp contrast, had much less infantry. Their army was made up of Norman Cavalry (which was the best cavalry in the world), some infantry and Archers as well. The Normans themselves had too few of numbers to invade, making up about half the army. So, they inlisted the help of the Bretons of Brittany, troops of Flanders and also France. While most say that the Norman army numbered in the 7,000's, some sources claim that the Normans had over 600 ships, numbering their troops in the 20,000's.
    Tactics:
    The English, arriving first, lined their Shieldwall along the top of the ridge at Senlac Hill so they faced down towards the Normans, putting the Norman troops at a huge disadvantage. The Normans used the standard European method of employing Archers in the front, to weaken the enemy, followed by close-combat infantry fights, and then a charge from the cavalry. Their arrows, however, were of little use against the Shield wall. When the Norman infantry charged up the hill, the Saxons began throwing whatever they could find at the incoming men, causing massive casualties amongst them. Seeing that the Saxons weren't retreating like planned, William the Bastard sent his cavalry earlier than he wanted to. After about an hour, the Bretons fled, and the Flemish and Norman troops also began to fled. Unable to contain themselves, the Saxons charged after the fleeing troops. William's horse was killed, and many of his troops thought him dead. But, when he stood up and tore off his helmet, the Saxons were faced with a massive problem; many of their troops were charging after the routing army, instead of safe in their well-defended shield wall. The Normans were rallied, and began to slaughter the pursuing Saxons. The Saxons reformed their shieldwall at the top of the hill, but the Norman Knights broke through. Harold Godwinson was killed during the fighting, and the Saxons, lost without their fearless leader, fled before the wrath of William, the Bastard.
    If you need to know what the army composition in-game would look like, just let me know. I played a GREAT re-creation of the battle a few days back, so I can send you what the army was composed on.
    I MEAN...... I said NOTHING!
    Last edited by Heathen Storm; January 25, 2011 at 02:08 AM.

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    I don't want to be an or anything.But the battle of Hastings has been done to death in all the mods, never made in the first game and there's so many other battles of this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipO'Hayda View Post
    I don't want to be an or anything.But the battle of Hastings has been done to death in all the mods, never made in the first game and there's so many other battles of this time.
    That's completely understandable, but nobody has made it right. So if we made it..... it would be amazing, and would set a new standard of historical accuracy!

    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipO'Hayda View Post
    I also hate to see Stamford Bridge in any medieval 2 game, simple because anyone who has done a battle on a bridge they will know how much of a pain it is. well I find it a pain anyway
    Really? I love bridge battles, especially when you're using troops that use a shield wall. Seriously, you want to slaughter the opposing army, line up a shield wall of your strongest troops against the bridge with some archers to the side of the bridge, and it's a massacre.....

    Quote Originally Posted by ♔Incontinenta Buttox♔ View Post
    I would suggest the following...

    The battle of Maldon, 991AD
    The battle of Cynuit, 878AD
    The battle of Ethandun, 878AD
    The battle of Reading, 871AD
    The battle of Stamford Bridge, 1066AD
    I agree with those, but you missed some.
    The battle of Clontarf, 1014
    Battle of Brunanburh, 937 (Ooooh that would be fun. Wessex vs. Scotland and Norway. )
    Battle of Hafrsfjord, 872 (?)
    Battle of Wodensfield (Also known as the Battle of Tettensfield)
    Last edited by Heathen Storm; January 25, 2011 at 12:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Storm View Post
    Really? I love bridge battles, especially when you're using troops that use a shield wall. Seriously, you want to slaughter the opposing army, line up a shield wall of your strongest troops against the bridge with some archers to the side of the bridge, and it's a massacre.....
    is-it must of that battle, done in the middle of the bridge?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipO'Hayda View Post
    is-it must of that battle, done in the middle of the bridge?
    Nope, right on the edge of the bridge. I'll upload some screenshots (of another mod) and show you.

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    I would suggest the following...

    The battle of Maldon, 991AD
    The battle of Cynuit, 878AD
    The battle of Ethandun, 878AD
    The battle of Reading, 871AD
    The battle of Stamford Bridge, 1066AD

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    Quote Originally Posted by ♔Incontinenta Buttox♔ View Post
    I would suggest the following...
    The battle of Stamford Bridge, 1066AD
    I also hate to see Stamford Bridge in any medieval 2 game, simple because anyone who has done a battle on a bridge they will know how much of a pain it is. well I find it a pain anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipO'Hayda View Post
    I also hate to see Stamford Bridge in any medieval 2 game, simple because anyone who has done a battle on a bridge they will know how much of a pain it is. well I find it a pain anyway
    Lol mate!
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    There was a battle in Denmark in the 1040's I believe that was fought between Dano-Norwegian forces under King Magnus the Good against invading Vends which could be cool to make. I dont have any info on it besides what Snorri wrote in his sagas tho..

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    Battle of Carham, 1018.
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    Battle of Ethandum or Edington 878
    Battle of Ashingdon 1016 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ashingdon

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    Sceenshots will do.

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    Here you go mate Unfortunately there's no maps for bridge battles in my mod so I used a river crossing - it works in the same way. Just position the shield wall against the edge of the bridge, leaving no space for the enemy to push through. Position archers to the side(s) and open fire while they are crossing. This will be most of the casualties.
    Overall casualties: 3
    Overall enemy deaths: 300
    Last edited by Heathen Storm; January 28, 2011 at 03:06 PM.

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    well if you really want to....you can make it

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    Its the god-damn Leonidas-principle

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    Quote Originally Posted by diiter View Post
    Its the god-damn Leonidas-principle
    Yeah, but these barbarians didnt know Leonidas.

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