Historical Research Thread

[uanime5]

This thread is for people to post any historical research that is relevant to any of the campaigns. The aim of this thread is to help me make the existing campaigns more accurate.

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[Meelis13]

great! but do i continue to post baltic campaign (in dev) research to my topic or not?
i probably have pointed this out earlier, but Estonia and latvia territory was not part of novgorod AT ANY TIME! Estonia and Latvia fell under foreign rule after 1227 and conquerors were order knights (sword brethen order knights)! (sources: history books, wikipedia Livonian crusades article).

[Wundai]

I think what Uanime is saying is that we would like to see the source.

Saying something and then calling out some books to support it would mean that we would have to go over those books to find that little piece of text you are reffering to, and that does not work(and also slows down the mod).

A quote from the book, or better a picture would be good source material in my opinion.

[BATUBATUBATU]

All quotes are from Mughal Warfare: Indian Frontiers and Highroads to Empire 1500-1700
"Generally speaking, the relatively small bore and thick barrel, often made of superior wootz, allowed Indian small arms to be used with proportionate larger powder charges, probably filling relatively large powder chambers and giving them greater range and precision than European barrels"

"Of course, apart from the heavier musket there was the lighter arquebus, but both tended to be rather long, often about 1.8 meters probably following the Mughal leaning towards accurate delivery."

"As we have seen, Indian matchlocks were not inferior to the European muskets but were actually more accurate at a longer range."

The Mughals need to have a musket that is a mid-way between the janissary musketeer's damage of 26 and the European musket's damage of 32, with longer range and higher accuracy than both.
Their arquebus also needs to be somewhat stronger since it shares the components, and it's also longer and with more powder than other arquebuses, giving it more range and a bit more power. Something like 16 attack compared to 18, but with longer range.

Also, some information regarding the Mughal cavalry, which used the composite bow very heavily.
"As mentioned previously, during most of the Mughal period, cavalry preferred to fight with composite bows"

"In fact, the area lacked a long tradition of infantry warfare as it was perfectly happy, and rightly so, to rely on the nomadic cavalry tradition of the Arid Zone. The essential difference was the quantity of warhorses available as well as the combination of heavy shock-cavalry with mounted archers whose showers of arrows could destroy packed infantry, be it in squares or not, from a great distance"
The book goes on after that to explain at length that the Mughals were very heavy on cavalry, indeed

The Mughals need to be given a much more diverse cavalry group, with both kshatriya heavy cavalry being available as well as heavily armed and armored horse archers, similar to the turkoman heavy archers. Eastern Turkomans being available helps to relate some of the reality that their army was heavily dependant on such mercenaries, but it doesn't solve the problem of Mughal cavalry.

Page 153 mentions light Indian bronze cannon being used (similar to serpentines in Europe)
"Mughals were perfectly happy with their own artillery, largely consisting of light bronze cannon, even though these somewhat deviated from the European standard, as illustrated by the comments of Manucchi and Roe. Although more expensive, the bronze pieces of the Mughals were certainly lighter and considered more reliable than any contemporary iron ones."

So the Mughals need to be given serpentines.

They also require mortars. The Mughals had a ton of usage of light cannons of all sorts, with only average regular cannons (which they also can't build in-game yet). Here's a quote on mortars.
"Mortars were used to bombard the interior, as had been done previously with the trebuchet."

They also used super-heavy cannons like the monster bombard when besieging large rajput fortresses.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ND4ui0xs0Yk

[Meelis13]

i can give exact history book title i used as source file: "Eesti ajalugu I" by publisher "Avita"
it is in estonian, yes, but you CAN see the map with pre-livonian crusade borders. quotes from that book (translated from estonian ofc):
"until order knights arrived to baltic shores in end of 12th century, forces were balanced in baltic area"
"in 1030, russians conquered south-east Estonia along with Tartu fort. Estonians managed to drive out russians in 1063 and after battle near Pskov (Pihkva), russians gave up idea conquering estonia"
"Russians also tried to conquer modern latvia territory, but they were also pushed back"
so, these 3 quotes clearly show, that Estonians and Latvians WERE FREE from russian rule at that time.
please fix this territory mistake, thank you very much