Ministry

**★Bandiera Rossa☭** · January 20, 2011, 09:23 PM

I'm now officially a minister, does that mean I can condemn everyone who disagrees with me to hell? As of this morning I am a minister in the "Universal Life Church" which is for all intents and purposes a real religious organization. Many, but not all, religious people listen to their own church's religious figures as if they have a direct connexion with god, and are thus unquestionable. Since I myself am now a minister, does this mean that I have some sort of divine authority now backing up my personal beliefs - bigoted or not, or am I simply another jerk using religion to push my beliefs on others?

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Obviously I am not going to use ministerial powers to advance myself (In fact I was given the suggestion to apply to the ULC by a friend of mine who is himself a very pious Franciscan as he believed I could use it to aide others) But I am curious whether people believe my simply becoming a minister magically gives my statements on morality an "unquestionable" status as is often accorded to the proclamations of religious teachers.

**~~Tyler_the_Great~~** · January 20, 2011, 09:48 PM

They "condemn" themselves to hell by not accepting Jesus. You should try to save them not comdemn them. But then this is just a troll thread.

**The Million Dollar Prons** · January 20, 2011, 10:19 PM

Should learn about theology brah.

**black-dragon** · January 21, 2011, 02:00 AM

Welcome to the brotherhood, brother!

You've made a big decision, and you won't regret it. Nothing can replace the joy that comes with transforming party pies and whiskey into the body and blood of our Saviour! As a minister, you're privy to this and many other party tricks. Use your power well!

**Makrell** · January 21, 2011, 02:10 AM

Good luck, and yes you can guide folks within your church. What kind of church is it, cause many people (like me) wont trust people in completely different churches, such as the catholic one

**basics** · January 21, 2011, 04:18 AM

" I'm now officially a minister, "

Bandiera Rossa,

So you'll be telling us how you were saved and on whose officialdom does this office come?

**★Bandiera Rossa☭** · January 21, 2011, 05:48 AM

Originally Posted by basics

" I'm now officially a minister, "

Bandiera Rossa,

So you'll be telling us how you were saved and on whose officialdom does this office come?

I never said I had converted to a religion...just that my friend Robert (A Franciscan brother, who is also a member of the Universal Life Church) ordained me a minister of the ULC. Which admittedly is not much of an accomplishment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Life_Church

**Makrell** · January 21, 2011, 05:52 AM

Originally Posted by ★Bandiera Rossa☭

I never said I had converted to a religion...just that my friend Roberto (A Franciscan brother, who is also a member of the Universal Life Church) ordained me a minister of the ULC. Which admittedly is not much of an accomplishment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Life_Church

wait is that just a mock religion created by some random dude

Well then i definately wont follow yoou as being a minister in some cult is no accomplishment. Might state in OP that you dont mean a christian minister but some random stuff

**★Bandiera Rossa☭** · January 21, 2011, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by Makrell

wait is that just a mock religion created by some random dude

Well then i definately wont follow yoou as being a minister in some cult is no accomplishment. Might state in OP that you dont mean a christian minister but some random stuff

It's not a mock religion, it's actually legally recognized in most of the U.S. and in many other places.

**xcorps** · January 22, 2011, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by ★Bandiera Rossa☭

It's not a mock religion, it's actually legally recognized in most of the U.S. and in many other places.

Just like Scientology, amirite?

**Makrell** · January 25, 2011, 03:07 AM

Originally Posted by ★Bandiera Rossa☭

It's not a mock religion, it's actually legally recognized in most of the U.S. and in many other places.

yea well it seems to be full of crap, you cant be my priest atleast

**Gromovnik** · January 21, 2011, 07:46 PM

How is that guy simultaneously a franciscan and a minister in this "ULC"?

**★Bandiera Rossa☭** · January 22, 2011, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by Gromovnik

How is that guy simultaneously a franciscan and a minister in this "ULC"?

You can't officiate same-sex weddings as a Franciscan, but you can in the ULC.

**Gromovnik** · January 22, 2011, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by ★Bandiera Rossa☭

You can't officiate same-sex weddings as a Franciscan, but you can in the ULC.

but how can he remain a Franciscan and join another church?

**Dan the Man** · January 22, 2011, 10:19 AM

I'm somewhat confused...do you remain irreligious, or does this mean you actually believe in God?

And the cynicism about being able to condemn people to hell just because they don't follow your religion is beginning to irk me. No true Christian would ever condemn somebody to hell because they belong to a different faith. Total rejection of God is one thing, different ways of believing are something else entirely. Can we please just drop this bloody stereotype now? I'd say it's gotten quite tired.

**xcorps** · January 23, 2011, 03:59 PM

The only parallel I can see with Scientology is that it is not an orthodox religion

There's 2 actually.
1) Legally recognized.
2) Full of crap.

**★Bandiera Rossa☭** · January 24, 2011, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by xcorps

There's 2 actually.
1) Legally recognized.
2) Full of crap.

Full of crap in what way? It has no teachings at all...

**xcorps** · January 24, 2011, 09:13 PM

Ding.

**★Bandiera Rossa☭** · January 25, 2011, 02:56 AM

Originally Posted by xcorps

Ding.

That doesn't mean it's full of crap, it just means it's empty of content...which in a lulzy way, kinda makes it less full of crap than traditional religions.