[RS 2.1a] Rome 1Turn Expansion "Five Good Emperors" Download/Technical Thread

[Centaurion]

I think the money is good.

In this submod, you can't go conquering like you can in RS II where you can basically take over Africa with 2 legions (full stacks). You need at least 5-6 legions (full stacks) and that takes a lot money to recruit and to upkeep. I think the people ing about too much money havn't tried to invade Spain / Gaul or Africa. If you have subdued Italy, then yes you will swim in money, but once you start to expand you need every single denarii.

In my campaing, I have subdued Italy and Sicily. I have also taken some of the rebel settlements past the Alps and Massilla. The Averni and the Belgea keep throwing stacks at my, so I need to have 2 legions garrisoning the border. I also plan to invade Africa. I tried with 2 legions, but they got annihalited. So I need to recruit at least 5-6 legions before I can invade. In order to do that I need to build up my cities. All this costs a lot of money, and I'm always at 0 denarii at the end of a turn.

[chris10]

I think the money is good.
In this submod, you can't go conquering like you can in RS II where you can basically take over Africa with 2 legions (full stacks). You need at least 5-6 legions (full stacks) and that takes a lot money to recruit and to upkeep. I think the people ing about too much money havn't tried to invade Spain / Gaul or Africa. If you have subdued Italy, then yes you will swim in money, but once you start to expand you need every single denarii.
In my campaing, I have subdued Italy and Sicily. I have also taken some of the rebel settlements past the Alps and Massilla. The Averni and the Belgea keep throwing stacks at my, so I need to have 2 legions garrisoning the border. I also plan to invade Africa. I tried with 2 legions, but they got annihalited. So I need to recruit at least 5-6 legions before I can invade. In order to do that I need to build up my cities. All this costs a lot of money, and I'm always at 0 denarii at the end of a turn.

...thnx for that report...I was surprisd when people said they had so much money because I was constantly at 0 denarii too but I credited it to my way of playing...good to hear that money is a bit shorter than some initially thought but it will be better the more citys develope and when your governours get good traits and ancillarys income will get another boost...

Yes..its true..for invasions you need more forces hence built up citys to generate the income..it seems more logic this way instead of blitzing with 1 or 2 stacks thru en entire country...
A tactic could be to use cheap levy/allied units in full legions to soft up reinforcemet Armys after conquering Capitals, that way players can field more stacks with the same amount of money.
Here some examples of relative cheap but effective Allied Armys apart from Allied Polybians. I use 2 of them to guard North Italy so I dont have to waste expensive Polybians there.

Allied Armys

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I always felt that the initial phases of the roman campaigns (Italy/Carthage/Spain wars ) where far to easy, especially for people knowing the mechanics up to certain point...Iam glad to hear that expansion has actually to be "earned" now without the need to counter 0Turn stack spam...

@chris
Can't rep you enough for this
Gotta spread some around first...

..thnx..very kind

[DeWitt8]

Now that's weird. After starting another new campaign the 1st rebellion does not trigger anymore. At every try.
The message is displayed though...?!

[chris10]

Now that's weird. After starting another new campaign the 1st rebellion does not trigger anymore. At every try.
The message is displayed though...?!

Just gave it a quick try and it triggered the 2nd turn..all ok...
you must be voodoed by somebody ...your Spartans get chewed...your Rebels gave up and the Rebellion does not trigger anymore...maybe your script is corrupted on download...dont know

why not donwload the 1.2 patch I uploaded...a new script version is included....and dont forget...
IF YOU RESTART OR RELOAD YOU HAVE TO EXIT THE GAME ENTIRELY AND RELAUNCH OR THE SCRIPT WILL NOT BE LOADED AND WILL NOT WORK HENCE NO REBELLION

[DeWitt8]

will try a new install of the submod, yes.
And yeah, I really did not miss that warning!

edit: the update somehow solved my problem. mystical. maybe voodoo you're right...

[chris10]

edit: the update somehow solved my problem. mystical. maybe voodoo you're right...

glad that it helped...maybe your script was corrupted on download....anyway...fixed is fixed

[♔Greek Strategos♔]

Congrats from this thread also mate...+rep from me...you were very helpful and i really like you mod...im waiting for further updates from you...also which exe do you use for your mod most times???? do you suggest Alex exe????
Cheers...

[bigmilt16]

Wow! What a mod.

I just survived the rebellion and Hannibal and I barely escaped by the hair on my chinny chin chin! Now the cash is swimming in but I am still sorely underdeveloped militarily and economically. Thus, I am going to take a good 20-30 yrs to build a strong military bases, economic centers, and spy/assasin/diplomatic corps before I venture out and take it to Carthage.

[chris10]

Congrats from this thread also mate...+rep from me...you were very helpful and i really like you mod...im waiting for further updates from you...also which exe do you use for your mod most times???? do you suggest Alex exe????
Cheers...

thnx...very kind....I play on alex.exe because of the retraining ability...dont know if BI would change the campaign (cause of more naval invasions). I think both worth a try. Once I finish this I will do a campaign with BI without perfect_spy and toogle_fow (which I use now to observe how things going) to play a genuine game...

Wow! What a mod.
I just survived the rebellion and Hannibal and I barely escaped by the hair on my chinny chin chin! Now the cash is swimming in but I am still sorely underdeveloped militarily and economically. Thus, I am going to take a good 20-30 yrs to build a strong military bases, economic centers,

thnx...Iam glad you had an intense start......yes...It looks that at the start you have big income but once you start expanding money will be a bit shorter...Iam stillworking on the ecnomy though but I had the impression that the pre-Marian time was ok "moneywise" spoken. I had lots of moments where I had 0 denarii and lacked money to retrain quick enough

and spy/assasin/diplomatic corps before

careful there...their upkeep is about 10 times more than it was previoulsy...
Spys/Assasins: 500
Diplomat: 700


EDIT...errrr...crap..just noticed my leader got the Coward trait ...what a coincidence...the % is set to 5%...I ran into a stack when I transferred him manually with his unit from Spain to Rome...he lost the battle obviously and got that damn coward thing...now my Governours start getting economic depression traits.....well...at least he is not very young so I have only a short me left with him (not gonna cheat him away by "boatsinking") and additionally its a great opportunity to observe how the faction leader influences the economy and other Governours.

[DeWitt8]

Regarding the economic depression trait:
I noticed on three different occasions my governors getting this trait, now there are uprisings in the city, then loosing it again, but the revolts won't go away. In fact, even when developing positive economy trait, this only battles the revolts caused by the not longer existant negativ trait.
That's really weird and easy to confirm, since the governor has no other negative traits, and moving him out of the city causes people to be happy again...

Probably it's not related to your submod though...

[chris10]

Regarding the economic depression trait:
I noticed on three different occasions my governors getting this trait, now there are uprisings in the city, then loosing it again, but the revolts won't go away. In fact, even when developing positive economy trait, this only battles the revolts caused by the not longer existant negativ trait.
That's really weird and easy to confirm, since the governor has no other negative traits, and moving him out of the city causes people to be happy again...
Probably it's not related to your submod though...

Maybe your Leader is hated by the people....maybe thats the reason for the revolts ?
I tend to think the economic depression trait is triggered by some bad leader traits and the overall situation because before my Leader got the coward my governours where all close to genius (truckloads of influene and management)
Regarding this campaign....I did not touch anything in the traits....

[Sephiroth88]

Regarding the economic depression trait:
I noticed on three different occasions my governors getting this trait, now there are uprisings in the city, then loosing it again, but the revolts won't go away. In fact, even when developing positive economy trait, this only battles the revolts caused by the not longer existant negativ trait.
That's really weird and easy to confirm, since the governor has no other negative traits, and moving him out of the city causes people to be happy again...

Probably it's not related to your submod though...

If what you mean is that after having gained the economy in ruins trait and losing it you still have the unrest, it's there from vanilla RS II. I don't know if it's a bug or not but after gaining the trait even if the governor loses it the increased unrest the trait gave remains with the governor forever. Noticed it in my first campaign in RS II vanilla when due to coward bug all my governors started to gain empire in ruins.

[chris10]

If what you mean is that after having gained the economy in ruins trait and losing it you still have the unrest, it's there from vanilla RS II. I don't know if it's a bug or not but after gaining the trait even if the governor loses it the increased unrest the trait gave remains with the governor forever. Noticed it in my first campaign in RS II vanilla when due to coward bug all my governors started to gain empire in ruins.

guys..forget about this issue...I got the trait by coincidence while running alone with his unit into an enemy stack and his unit routed...so it was 5% that he got coward and I won lottery...who cares ?...if it happens it happnes...we should learn to live with a few setbacks..it would be very boring to cheat anything negative away by simply removing it from the game...
he got the damn coward thing...ok..I deal with it....he is 66 I think...so nothing to worry for me..a few years and end of story...
It happend cause I do not play a real campaign. I sort of rush...only autoresolve..and did not paid attention when I tried to move him from spain to rome....I hit an enemy stack and well..bad luck...before he had 10 management and that was the reason I wanted him in Rome...if I just would have taken the ing ship

[naq]

have you fixed the "coward" trait yet?

[chris10]

have you fixed the "coward" trait yet?

fixing this trait does not mean eliminate it from the game...it only means to adjust it the right way so that is does not trigger on every second character...
and yes...its fixed...nevertheless It still can happen in ocasions like with my Faction Leader now ..
anyway..its the only coward until now in the entire campaign...a bit unlucky to get it for the leader though

[Constantius]

Not a good trait for a Romann aristocrat, you better off him

[chris10]

Not a good trait for a Romann aristocrat, you better off him

....but that would be cheating Consti......
naaah...Rome had some fairly bad leaders from time to time...Consuls and Emperors....
I will keep him and watch how economy detoriates and to which degree...perfect time as I can check the minimum income on a certain epxansion to tweak it down to the point where it hurts or even further to make conquest a must for economic survival...that would be the perfect setting I think....well, just dreamin.

Hi CHRIS10
1)Maybe you want to check this thread about the coward fix....(http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=410826&highlight=coward+general+fix&page=3)...its post 51..this file completely fixes the coward trait...can we use it in your mod??? and how????
2)For us who use Alex.exe, in the important files folder there is a file about ai formations which we must merge into our modfolder campaings....
what about this file???? do we have to use it and put it in your modfolder or not????

thnx mate but the coward trait is fixed in Five Good Emperors...but fixed does not mean removed from the game ...it can happen (chance is 5% on unit routing which is fairly realistic) and it happend just to my Faction Leader...bad luck but nothing dramatic really...have a look at post 45 of the same thread ..who was it ?

[♔Greek Strategos♔]

thnx mate but the coward trait is fixed in Five Good Emperors...but fixed does not mean removed from the game ...it can happen and it happend just to my Faction Leader...bad luck but nothing dramatic really...have a look at post 45 of the same thread ..who was it ?

Thats funny my friend ...i didnt notice your post at this thread...sorry
Thanks for your quick reply...

What about the question number 2???? are you aware of this file???? i will give you the thread (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=390419) post 3 from dvk the master...i think its important for preventing a bug...

[chris10]

Thats funny my friend ...i didnt notice your post at this thread...sorry
Thanks for your quick reply...
What about the question number 2???? are you aware of this file???? i will give you the thread (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=390419) post 3 from dvk the master...i think its important for preventing a bug...

Of course Iam aware of the issue...Thing is I never replaced it because despite the fact that I only played with Alex until now I never had a CTD related to the formations.txt bug...it seems this only happens when ambushed but like I never get ambushed......
The player very very rarely gets ambushed by an entire stack and for any less most likely will use autoresolve...so I let the files just untouched because I had no need to touch them...
If you wanna change the formations.txt file then you are free to do so....just follow the instructios...
For Five Good Emperors I will not change them because lots of poeple play with BI and even some with RTW

[♔Greek Strategos♔]

Of course Iam aware of the issue...Thing is I never replaced it because despite the fact that I only played with Alex until now I never had a CTD related to the formations.txt bug...it seems this only happens when ambushed but like I never get ambushed......
The player very very rarely gets ambushed by an entire stack and for any less most likely will use autoresolve...so I let the files just untouched because I had no need to touch them...
If you wanna change the formations.txt file then you are free to do so....just follow the instructios...
For Five Good Emperors I will not change them because lots of poeple play with BI and even some with RTW

All issues solved for me then...Thanks my friend you are the best and always helpful...