Are High Elves worth playing

[Tomato_Sandwich]

The HE's have always been one of my favourite factions in the game but I'v never played them on the campaign because their position on the map doesnt look like it would be a very good campaign. Has anyone done a campaign as them? Was it any good?

[Kolwen]

Check our thread. We are making a campaign on Ulthuan

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=398694

[Russian Gondor]

I only play them with money cheats because it is IMPOSSIBLE to do anything without money cheats because three or four stacks of Chaos appearing randomly, units costin like 1,000 upkeep a turn, and having no trade make me want to cry.

[rejv]

High Elves are bit harder then or even "BIT" harder then normal Empire faction where you got lots of cheap units and few merchants because of few cities instead of two farms called cities. Yes, money cheats were sometimes only way to not end up with -50k with no options of making more units or replenish old army to conquer more. Most of this problems (before 1.4/1.4.1 - as I didnt check them properly due this sudden attack of DElves on capital city) were settlements around our cities, because they didnt grow larger = gave us merchants and money or any other building that would provide us with money support.

Still, playing as HE give you chance to feel their superiority above most of factions (if you exclude 3 stacks of any factions spawning suddenly) and that this race is dimishing but still making a huge difference in this whole story. If you played too much as Empire be prepared for hard days.

..and check Kolwen submod as it will be brilliant!

[Thorn777]

I abandoned the northern elves camp and send all northern scripted stacks to the south to kick some serious ass. Once I got Mordheim and surroundings, Nuln(Orcs), Marienburg, Grunburg, Norden, Dietershafen, Erengrad, Sarls land and the d-elves there, there was me steadely making surplusses again. Took forever to get a plus again, and instaed of having stacks I could only assist empire armies with a few units...lots of fun though.

You can also just send all your forces to the most imidiate enemy. You conquer or die. Both make you money.

[rejv]

I abandoned the northern elves camp and send all northern scripted stacks to the south to kick some serious ass. Once I got Mordheim and surroundings, Nuln(Orcs), Marienburg, Grunburg, Norden, Dietershafen, Erengrad, Sarls land and the d-elves there, there was me steadely making surplusses again. Took forever to get a plus again, and instaed of having stacks I could only assist empire armies with a few units...lots of fun though.

You can also just send all your forces to the most imidiate enemy. You conquer or die. Both make you money.

Yes this was an option, but there was something else that makes this campaign harder, ports. You need them to replenish your forces and if you lose Capital to enemy, you get only one on different shore (plus winter from time to time, sic!). Nevertheless if you like to feel that every man counts when you battle with enemies then this is your perfect race to choose, even dwarfs have much more units, cities and are capable of doing more at start then us "outlanders".

Of course all this whine that this is hard and so on is only because we High Elves players admire our hardcoreness. Alone, outnumbered but still victorious!

[Karion]

hehe that is why dark elves are better, slavery is a pretty serious bussnies you know xD
jk aside yeah HE have a very hard start, but hey, if his darkerst brothers can do it why not they??

[grik]

I can't say DE are better cause I kicked theirs dark asses with HE.

Playing HE is very hard. It's a lot harder than any Imperium faction. But if You know how to make it it's not impossible.

I'll write here some tricks. I'm playing on VH/H.

First of all - invasion on the second turn. You have to withdraw army which station north of Your capital to defend against invasion. After that if You have enough units attack town north of capital. When this town and rebel army east of it is defeated You'll get some reinforcements. That army and units left after attack can be send to the Imperium, cause as everybody knows Elves have some problems with money and Imperium can provide a lot of it.

It's good to conquer Marienburg, but after You enter the city two stacks of DE attacks, so You must have strong armies.
The second place good to conquer is Elven Ruins below Hochland cause it has 40% of elven relligion.

About north fort of Elves. It's not good to abandon it cause You will have only one city capable of making new units.

My tactics is to hold enemies coming from west on the bridge and from east in the town. When You do this it's time to strike back. I'm boarding my army on the ship and strike enemy towns from the sea.

And what's most important - I'm not trying to hold in that towns. I'm striking and retreating after sacking and selling every possible building. (it's vital to have bolt throwers to attack on the same turn when siege starts). That's how I make money until I will have some towns in Imperium. The second good thing is that when Chaos Undivided comes they will have no infrastructure in their cities.

I know that it's chaotic but I hope it'll be helpful.

MAybe in some time I'll write something more arranged.

[Tomato_Sandwich]

Thanks for all the advice. I think I'm going to start a HE campaign now! Time to kick some ass

[Zorander]

Here is how i did mine, first off call off your half stack thats near the top of your Main City so that stack and your City stack makes a full stack, use your free slots to build merchants, spy, etc etc. At the second turn abandon your city and leave your full stack about 2 spots away from it. The 2 DE stacks will attack (i always have to wait 2-3 minutes during this time, guess the game is processing the npc movement, so dont worry if its a bit slow)

1 DE stack will be in your city and the other outside it.

Attack the outside Stack, make sure your up on the hill right outside your city, and attack AT NIGHT so the other stack doesnt bother you.

You should have minimum losses since your uphill raining arrows and they take ages to get to you.

After thats done siege the second stack, they should run out to attack you, play it right and you get few losses as well since their all bottled up.


I suggest leaving the northen fort all the way up there on the map. Once it gets taken you get another free full stack. Use your 2 stacks and a half and move down and cap whatever rebel cities you find. (it will take awhile to get there) Take the Rebel stacks behind Nordland, the Elven Ruin Place (this one is important since it gives you free upkeep plus the religion is already half elf so in a few turns you can replenish units) And capture any Beastman camps you find.

[Rexmundi]

Just noticed this thread.

There is a very easy trick to make the initial battle at your capital vs Dark Elves a lot easier. The trick gives you 4 units of swordsmasters of hoeth during turn 2. Before the DE invade!

Step one:

At your other camp (not your capital), send an army with 4 eagle claw units into your fleet and direct them to the bearsonics settlement (north west of your camp). LEAVE the 4 eagle claws units in your fleet! ONLY unload your archer, spearmen and cavalry units. This is imporant, cause alse the system won't give you a mission to attack the beasonics settlement. Also do _NOT_ make the end destination of your army the bearsonics settlement, that can also stop the system from giving you that mission.

Step two:

End your turn whewhen your finished doing whatever alse. At the beginning of your next turn the game will give you a mission that you have to complete. The mission will tell you to capture the bearsonic settlement. The reward should say: some of the best military units currently available.

Normally you wouldn't be able to capture it in one turn, but because you still have that fleet with 4 eagle claw's nearby, you can easily attack and capture the camp. (I won the batle with less then 3% cassualties, it's really a walk in the park since you have ranged units and they don't. They kept attacking me with 1 unit at a time, making them easy targets for my white helms)

Step 3:

Once you capture the enemy camp you are rewarded with 4 units of swordsmasters of hoeth at your capital. These will surely come in handy when facing the DE invasion. When I fought them I "only" lost 51% of my defence force. What made it even better is that one of their armies spawned with 90% of their troops ontop of a mountain, taking them atleast 10 mins to even get to the walls.

[Fallen Angel Ezekiel]

One word;

YES.

[Zorander]

Just noticed this thread.

There is a very easy trick to make the initial battle at your capital vs Dark Elves a lot easier. The trick gives you 4 units of swordsmasters of hoeth during turn 2. Before the DE invade!

Step one:

At your other camp (not your capital), send an army with 4 eagle claw units into your fleet and direct them to the bearsonics settlement (north west of your camp). LEAVE the 4 eagle claws units in your fleet! ONLY unload your archer, spearmen and cavalry units. This is imporant, cause alse the system won't give you a mission to attack the beasonics settlement. Also do _NOT_ make the end destination of your army the bearsonics settlement, that can also stop the system from giving you that mission.

Step two:

End your turn whewhen your finished doing whatever alse. At the beginning of your next turn the game will give you a mission that you have to complete. The mission will tell you to capture the bearsonic settlement. The reward should say: some of the best military units currently available.

Normally you wouldn't be able to capture it in one turn, but because you still have that fleet with 4 eagle claw's nearby, you can easily attack and capture the camp. (I won the batle with less then 3% cassualties, it's really a walk in the park since you have ranged units and they don't. They kept attacking me with 1 unit at a time, making them easy targets for my white helms)

Step 3:

Once you capture the enemy camp you are rewarded with 4 units of swordsmasters of hoeth at your capital. These will surely come in handy when facing the DE invasion. When I fought them I "only" lost 51% of my defence force. What made it even better is that one of their armies spawned with 90% of their troops ontop of a mountain, taking them atleast 10 mins to even get to the walls.

Wouldn't just taking your full stack, leaving the city and attacking both stack be a lot easier? Ive done this at least twice with same results, about 20-15% losses on very hard difficulty for campaign and battle.

[Rexmundi]

Wouldn't just taking your full stack, leaving the city and attacking both stack be a lot easier? Ive done this at least twice with same results, about 20-15% losses on very hard difficulty for campaign and battle.

Yeah, however, getting units for HE at the early stages of the game is their biggest problem. And since you get these units before the invasion, you can combine these two tricks. Besides letting them take your city does give you a problem. It halts any building queues and since I build baracks right from the start (so I can recruit more units later) I don't wanna hand over my city.

[Zorander]

Yeah, however, getting units for HE at the early stages of the game is their biggest problem. And since you get these units before the invasion, you can combine these two tricks. Besides letting them take your city does give you a problem. It halts any building queues and since I build baracks right from the start (so I can recruit more units later) I don't wanna hand over my city.

True but in 5 turns you get your negative income so you cant really do much with your barracks, your better off using those ques to get agents out as much as possible, since when you finally do start to get income in buying units or building wont be much of a problem.

[Outlawstar15a2]

The HE's have always been one of my favourite factions in the game but I'v never played them on the campaign because their position on the map doesnt look like it would be a very good campaign. Has anyone done a campaign as them? Was it any good?

The High Elves campaign was pure erotic ecstasy for me. It was very good and very worth it. Though I wish Norsca had more settlements in it... And for Chaos to start off with a stronghold there. It's awfully dead and lonely till mid game.