Barad Dur As Dark Lord's Capital?

[Donaldchan]

Is it possible to move Sauron's Capital to Barad Dur and let Minas Morgul to be the Capital of Mordor? This seems to be more realistic.

[Myoria]

Is it possible to move Sauron's Capital to Barad Dur and let Minas Morgul to be the Capital of Mordor? This seems to be more realistic.

You can make any city you hold be your capital (just click the button on the settlement information screen) but be careful, this has a big effect on your income.

Of course if you aren't playing Mordor you can't change this but I guess it was fixed a Minas Morgul for balance reasons.

[Hallow]

You can make any city you hold be your capital (just click the button on the settlement information screen) but be careful, this has a big effect on your income.

Of course if you aren't playing Mordor you can't change this but I guess it was fixed a Minas Morgul for balance reasons.

You're misunderstanding him. He wants Barad Dur to be the capital of The Dark Lord Sauron (Aka the Pope) instead of the faction of Mordor.

[Myoria]

You're misunderstanding him. He wants Barad Dur to be the capital of The Dark Lord Sauron (Aka the Pope) instead of the faction of Mordor.

You are right, of course.

[jinjo]

Is it possible to move Sauron's Capital to Barad Dur and let Minas Morgul to be the Capital of Mordor? This seems to be more realistic.

if u think about dark lord of sauron ( one who's city is on the top of map) then, it's not possible

[Hallow]

if u think about dark lord of sauron ( one who's city is on the top of map) then, it's not possible

Is it actually impossible? I was under the impression that the main reason for having the capital up there was to make it impossible to take it and destroy the faction. If The Dark Lord still retains the city in the north but in addition has Barad Dur, it would still be impossible to destroy the faction, but would also let the "Pope" play a more active role, kinda like the Vatican Faction in Stainless Steel.

might be wrong though, obviously.

[Hartassen]

I actually wrote a really long explanation for this but it got complicated.

Long story short: Moving capitals would result in mordor becoming weaker and having to compete with sauron over territory.
Sauron was also the leader of Mordor and it would make no sense for him to have 1 city in the middle of mordor where he creates his own personal army.

In essence the developers put him up there so that it reflects how sauron "puppets" mordor. They could have just as easily done what you suggested but didn't because of aforementioned reasons.

[Hallow]

I actually wrote a really long explanation for this but it got complicated.

Long story short: Moving capitals would result in mordor becoming weaker and having to compete with sauron over territory.
Sauron was also the leader of Mordor and it would make no sense for him to have 1 city in the middle of mordor where he creates his own personal army.

In essence the developers put him up there so that it reflects how sauron "puppets" mordor. They could have just as easily done what you suggested but didn't because of aforementioned reasons.

I think this is the gist of it, namely balancing.

It's a shame it isn't possible to script the AI in such a fashion that Sauron could have Barad Dur and use it in such a way that he doesn't compete with Mordor for territory but rather helps with the defense of the region of Mordor etc.

One possibility could be to make Mordor the "Pope" faction instead of Sauron? Might not have a place in the main mod itself but it could be an interesting sub mod. Obviously it would leave Mordor unplayable in the same way that The Papal States is unplayable in Vanilla or SS, but as sub mod it could make playing the other factions a different experience.

[Athalwulf]

Is it actually impossible? I was under the impression that the main reason for having the capital up there was to make it impossible to take it and destroy the faction. If The Dark Lord still retains the city in the north but in addition has Barad Dur, it would still be impossible to destroy the faction, but would also let the "Pope" play a more active role, kinda like the Vatican Faction in Stainless Steel.

might be wrong though, obviously.

A large "Papal" army will spawn outside Barad-Dur every time it is taken.

[Clumber]

I'm pretty sure in the older versions it was exactly as you described. Sauron owned that one city and nothing else.

[Hallow]

I'm pretty sure in the older versions it was exactly as you described. Sauron owned that one city and nothing else.

Unless my memory fails me, it's been like it is now since 1.0 at least.

(Apologies for the double post)

[Hero of the West]

i believe it can be done.. in vanilla i thought i had all the vatican settlements yet the pope and his armies remained existing..

[el Cid]

i believe it can be done.. in vanilla i thought i had all the vatican settlements yet the pope and his armies remained existing..

Yeah but then you'd have to eliminate every single catholic faction.

[ya13]

Would't moving the capital lead to Sauron on war with mordor in one or the other game (due to M2 AI )?

Also, the AI does not attack over other faction bordors, it would make Barad Dur pretty useless because Sauron could not attack through mordor. (He couldn't do it without, simply because the black gate and Minas Morgul block the way. )

And last it would make diplomacy with Sauron possible.

[Donaldchan]

Would't moving the capital lead to Sauron on war with mordor in one or the other game (due to M2 AI )?

Well i dont think M2 AI would make Catholic countries attack the Papal State rite?
Making Barad Dur the Capital of Sauron would make it like Rome in M2TW.
about the Balancing issue, Minas Tirith's Position in Gondor is just like the Postion of Minas Morgul in Mordor. It's just totally fine

[MasterBigAb]

Yeah but then you'd have to eliminate every single catholic faction.

Yes as in vanilla the pope get's a settlement form a catholic faction controled by the AI once his capitel is conquered (which is also a reason that Sauron's settlement (pope) shall be unreachable + Hartassen is right.

[el Cid]

It is however an interesting idea to have the Dark Lord control Barad Dur. I have a different idea: Why not merge the factions Mordor and Dark Lord? Mordor was pretty much the domain he ruled, and the other evil factions were allies which he controlled. Mordor was in fact not equal to the other evil factions because Mordor was the Dark Lord's personal domain, and the Easterling and Southron lands were inferior to it in both power and importance to Mordor.

[Hell_Bent]

One possible good thing about having Sauron in Barad Dur is that capturing barad dur would destroy sauron (with a little script tweaking maybe) which would be more realistic as of return of the king with the ai losing the ai boost and other bonuses.
Would be great if a general with one ring captured barad dur you would win the game or at least destroy mordor right out. If sauron has open borders with mordor he could move about within mordor region acting to defend it. as he would not be able to attack anywhere nearby.
Would require mordor's economy to be tweaked to represent the 2000 - 3000 money lost from barad dur
3.0 maybe?

[Hallow]

It is however an interesting idea to have the Dark Lord control Barad Dur. I have a different idea: Why not merge the factions Mordor and Dark Lord? Mordor was pretty much the domain he ruled, and the other evil factions were allies which he controlled. Mordor was in fact not equal to the other evil factions because Mordor was the Dark Lord's personal domain, and the Easterling and Southron lands were inferior to it in both power and importance to Mordor.

Basically what I said in my post. Though this still leaves Mordor unplayable.

[Santeri]

Basically what I said in my post. Though this still leaves Mordor unplayable.

Why should Mordor be unplayable?

The problem with Mordor being like Papal State is that Papal State can't be destroyed and factions with victory conditions of destroying Mordor could not achieve that.

But still hope that somebody finds a away that Mordor could be home of Dark Lord