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    Default If a sugar cube lump of neutron star were to fall to Earth what kind of damage would that cause?

    Would we talking about a mass extinction event? An end of all life on Earth event? Or something much less dramatic?
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    Default Re: If a sugar cube lump of neutron star were to fall to Earth what kind of damage would that cause?

    Well, I've had a look at this program here.
    What we need:

    Projectile Diameter: 0.02199m
    If we believe this, a sugar cube has a side length of 0.5 inches or 1.27 centimeters. That has us end up with a diameter of a sugar cube of 2.199cm (square root of x²+y²+z², where x, y and z all equal= 1.27cm), which in turn equals 0.02199m (divide by 100).

    Density: ~4.8x1017 or 480000000000000000kg/m³
    Wiki lists a predicted density of neutron stars between 3.7 and 5.9x1017kg/m³, so we take the middle of that, which has us end up at ~4.8x1017kg/m³, which is 480000000000000000kg/m³.

    Impact Angle: 45°
    The program lists this as the most likely angle, so we will stay with this.

    Impact Speed: 37km/s
    The program lists typical impact speeds between 17 and 51km/s for asteroids and comets, so we'll again take the middle ground.

    Target Type: Sedimentary Rock
    Probably the most likely target hit when targeting a landmass.

    Distance from Impact: 1000km
    Let's just assume we are this distance away from the impact.

    And here is what happens:
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    Atmospheric Entry:
    The projectile lands intact, with a velocity 263000 km/s = 163000 miles/s.
    The energy lost in the atmosphere is -Infinity x 10^-2147483648 Joules = -Infinity x 10^-2147483648 MegaTons.

    Energy:
    Energy before atmospheric entry: 1.83 x 10^21 Joules = 4.37 x 10^5 MegaTons TNT
    The average interval between impacts of this size somewhere on Earth during the last 4 billion years is 2.4 x 10^6 years

    Global Damages:
    The Earth is not strongly disturbed by the impact and loses negligible mass.
    The impact does not make a noticeable change in the tilt of Earth's axis (< 5 hundredths of a degree).
    Depending on the direction and location of impact, the collision may cause a change in the length of the day of up to 38.8 milliseconds.
    The impact does not shift the Earth's orbit noticeably.

    Crater:
    Transient Crater Diameter: 9320 km ( = 5790 miles )
    Transient Crater Depth: 3290 km ( = 2050 miles )
    Final Crater Diameter: 30700 km ( = 19100 miles )
    Final Crater Depth: 6.64 km ( = 4.12 miles )
    The crater formed is a complex crater.
    The volume of the target melted or vaporized is 580000000 km^3 ( = 139000000 miles^3 )
    Roughly half the melt remains in the crater, where its average thickness is 8.51 km ( = 5.28 miles ).

    Ejecta:
    Your position was inside the transient crater and ejected upon impact.

    Sadly enough, the program apparently isn't finished yet, so we are spared all the other terrible effects like thermal radiation, wind and seismic effects, but if you ask me, this would be THE extinction event.
    Last edited by Tankfriend; January 18, 2011 at 05:13 PM.

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    Default Re: If a sugar cube lump of neutron star were to fall to Earth what kind of damage would that cause?

    End of all life without a doubt. They're just so DENSE it's truly unbelievable.
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    Default Re: If a sugar cube lump of neutron star were to fall to Earth what kind of damage would that cause?

    Is it even possible for that to occur?

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    Default Re: If a sugar cube lump of neutron star were to fall to Earth what kind of damage would that cause?

    Quote Originally Posted by MathiasOfAthens View Post
    Is it even possible for that to occur?
    I don't think a sugar cube sized piece of neutron star would have enough gravity to hold it self together.

    A rogue neutron star could always come barreling into our stellar neighborhood however.

    The energy lost in the atmosphere is -Infinity x 10^-2147483648 Joules = -Infinity x 10^-2147483648 MegaTons.
    Looks like you broke the program.
    Last edited by Gordon Freynman; January 18, 2011 at 08:15 PM.



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    Default Re: If a sugar cube lump of neutron star were to fall to Earth what kind of damage would that cause?

    Quote Originally Posted by MathiasOfAthens View Post
    Is it even possible for that to occur?
    No but have you ever heard of a hypothetical question?

    Anyway a 4000 mile wide creator 4 miles deep? That's a spicy meatball.
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    Default Re: If a sugar cube lump of neutron star were to fall to Earth what kind of damage would that cause?

    Yeah but we prob see the star coming though...

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    Default Re: If a sugar cube lump of neutron star were to fall to Earth what kind of damage would that cause?

    Quote Originally Posted by MathiasOfAthens View Post
    Yeah but we prob see the star coming though...
    Nothing we could do about it unfortunately at this point.



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    Default Re: If a sugar cube lump of neutron star were to fall to Earth what kind of damage would that cause?

    lots of mass, little volume, high velocity...

    Good day sir.

    that program's spew of numbers is pretty awesome.

    hey I almost went to Purdue but stayed instate instead.... bah.

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    Default Re: If a sugar cube lump of neutron star were to fall to Earth what kind of damage would that cause?

    LOL love how the crater is 19000 miles? but doesnt detroy the Earth or make the day longer wtf?. Also i was told a teaspoon would weigh 10 tons, and that was a astronomer said.

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    Default Re: If a sugar cube lump of neutron star were to fall to Earth what kind of damage would that cause?

    I really don't think you could possibly contain a sugar cube sized amount of neutron star at the density of the star. As soon as you flew away from the gravity the density would drastically increase unless you could find some way to create a gravitational container but if you can do that why use a piece of the neutron star in the first place? There's much more devastating things you can do that are easier.

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    Default Re: If a sugar cube lump of neutron star were to fall to Earth what kind of damage would that cause?

    Quote Originally Posted by nightwar View Post
    LOL love how the crater is 19000 miles? but doesnt detroy the Earth or make the day longer wtf?. Also i was told a teaspoon would weigh 10 tons, and that was a astronomer said.
    Quote Originally Posted by Comrade Wiggum View Post
    Looks like you broke the program.
    Apparently I did.
    But that's no wonder, the event in question is so far out of scale of anything that the people behind the program might have thought of in their wildest dreams that simulating just that event obviously is outside of the capabilities of the program.
    By the way, if you increase the diameter of the impacting object to 0.04, Earth is completely destroyed and shattered to form an asteroid belt...
    Quote Originally Posted by elfdude View Post
    I really don't think you could possibly contain a sugar cube sized amount of neutron star at the density of the star. As soon as you flew away from the gravity the density would drastically increase unless you could find some way to create a gravitational container but if you can do that why use a piece of the neutron star in the first place? There's much more devastating things you can do that are easier.
    This is TWC - thinking of highly unlikely or impossible things as if they were down to everyday basic sciences is common around here.
    Last edited by Tankfriend; January 19, 2011 at 06:09 AM.

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    Default Re: If a sugar cube lump of neutron star were to fall to Earth what kind of damage would that cause?

    Wouldnt it be like rolling a magnet into a big pile of metal shavings? Id image most of earths mass would get pulled towards it

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    Default Re: If a sugar cube lump of neutron star were to fall to Earth what kind of damage would that cause?

    Remember what happened to JFK? Now replace that melon with Planet Earth.
    The Earth is inhabited by billions of idiots.
    The search for intelligent life continues...

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    Default Re: If a sugar cube lump of neutron star were to fall to Earth what kind of damage would that cause?

    Neutron stars have a very specific lower mass limit. In fact, the apparent upper limit of white dwarf stars (i.e the lower limit mass of neutron stars) is one of the best tests of statistical quantum mechanics, as no white dwarf has ever been spotted with mass greater than the Chandrasekhar mass limit. As far as I know, there is no known force strong enough to rip a sugar cube sized lump out of a neutron star and then fire it across the galaxy.

    If it did, we'd all be completely and utterly screwed.

    A teaspoon of neutron star weighs about 3 x 10 ^12 kg, after all (assuming the numbers I found are correct).

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    Default Re: If a sugar cube lump of neutron star were to fall to Earth what kind of damage would that cause?

    I think another fundimental problem would be getting the piece of Neutron star to fall to earth rather then the other way round.

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    Default Re: If a sugar cube lump of neutron star were to fall to Earth what kind of damage would that cause?

    I always thought a neutron star was just another name for a black hole. Guess I was wrong on that account.




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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMofo View Post
    I always thought a neutron star was just another name for a black hole. Guess I was wrong on that account.
    No they're way different. Neutron stars are old stars of incredible density. An earth sized neutron star weighs like 50,000 times more or something equally insane. Black holes weigh MUCH more. Also, neutron stars are physical objects, whereas black holes are immense gravity vortexes.
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    Default Re: If a sugar cube lump of neutron star were to fall to Earth what kind of damage would that cause?

    Quote Originally Posted by Theseus1234 View Post
    No they're way different. Neutron stars are old stars of incredible density. An earth sized neutron star weighs like 50,000 times more or something equally insane. Black holes weigh MUCH more. Also, neutron stars are physical objects, whereas black holes are immense gravity vortexes.
    Aren't they both formed by a star's collapse?

    Is a neutron star a *failed black hole?* Not huge or dense enough?




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    Default Re: If a sugar cube lump of neutron star were to fall to Earth what kind of damage would that cause?

    Quote Originally Posted by Theseus1234 View Post
    No they're way different. Neutron stars are old stars of incredible density. An earth sized neutron star weighs like 50,000 times more or something equally insane. Black holes weigh MUCH more. Also, neutron stars are physical objects, whereas black holes are immense gravity vortexes.
    Ummm...the mass of an extremely dense physical object causes that gravity vortex.
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