Unstoppable AI power...

[GambleFish]

I posted a thread a while back showing this unbelieveable military force controlled by the AI.... here's the screenie at the time just before civil war. Notice the date - 175 BC



This is an update on this same game... best campaign EVER!! Date - 118 BC



I have finally taken all of Italy! I should post a screenie there are at least four of the heroic battle markers on the map and three in Capua! The army you see in this screenie is the final result of decades of warfare in Italy.

Greece seemed completely under control until they somehow managed to destroy all of my active navies in four turns and land two more armies near Athens... I had a plague in Thessalonica and most of my troop centers in Greece just as it happened... ouch...

The Amazon province up north was bribed, I will lose it next turn lol... The Scipii have three armies on Sicily and four on Caralis (which was taken) and they are besieging Palma. I'm training as many ships as I can to try and ferry my Gaulic and British Legions to Africa, in order to actually Attack the Scipii (I've only take one province from them!)

As you can see, the Brutii still possess overwhelming military strength, and to be honest I have no chance against them. With every pitched battle and siege in Anatolia, they lose thousands of quality troops (urbans, praetorians, units with gold weps and armor) yet continue slowly but surely throughout my lands. After I lost Sinope their momentum was unstoppable - I can't even slow their advance with armies of double silver troops and pretty decent tactics. The only thing I lack in Greece and Anatolia are generals... and if the legion you see there with a ten star general can't win me at least Greece, I can honestly say that I might end up losing to the Brutii. I can't stop them!!! It's amazing has anyone ever seen a faction this strong???

[Sétanta]

The first screen is Nucking Futs

[John I Tzimisces]

The first screen is Nucking Futs

Ugh, Mudd, please don't avoid the censor

[Sétanta]

Ugh, Mudd, please don't avoid the censor

i wasn't

[John I Tzimisces]

i wasn't

Ach... Its just the letters and the switching and the...yeah. Nevermind.

[Seleucus I Nicator]

Very nice campaign. Do the other Romans have high-quality troops too? And what difficulty are you playing?

I'm fighting a similiar campaign, in which the other Romans are extremely powerful. The Brutii has taken Greece and expanded to the far north-east up to the steppes, where their expansion has come to an end, because of numerious rebellions. Their 15+ full stack armies consist of Praetorians, Urbans, Legionary Cohorts and some outdated pre-marian troops, along with good weapon & armor upgrades.
The Julii has taken Germania and Southern Gaul, but I had to conquer Spain and the rest of Gaul for them, since they were not making much progress by themselves. 90% of the soldiers in their 5+ full stacks are made up of outdated pre-marian soldiers and early legionaries, and their weapon & armor upgrades are bronze as the best.
The SPQR now have all of the south of the map, with an exception of Seleucia. As they're not an expansive faction, I conquered all of the land from Western Africa to Arabia for them. They have almost as much full stacks as the Brutii, and their armies almost match the Brutii's quality.

Currently I have launched an invasion with a high-quality elite force into Africa, and killed off 5 - or maybe it was 6 - almost full armies. I win easily when facing their armies one at a time, because of my superior soldiers with experience and weapon & armor upgrades. In Italy I'm heading towards the Alps, to get an easily defensive position.

I will post a screenshot tomorrow or sometime in the close future.

[Slimshoom]

holy crap
even i dont have armies that big or numerous

[Slipt]

Hey, yea im playing as the julii right now myself, but im not doing nearly as well as you seemed to be doing.

I mean, I have the same problem as you with the brutii, but im still 210BC. They have taken all of greece, and macadon, and where trace and germania used to be. Every time I look into their lands i really hope they are the ones that get expelled from the republic and not me. They have armies like your second picture all thoughout those parts, I only have 3 armies really. Lucky for me though, in my instance scipii took over 50 years to take sicily, and therfore I hold carthage, and they have only just landed in africa.

That reminds me, if the brutii take more land then me will they get expelled or will the game just wait until I get enough and then set me up to get murdered by them with the help of the senate and scipii?

[Hyungoku]

i am shocked that the other Roman factions actually conquered that much territory.

usually they dont do jack.

[Darth Wong]

i am shocked that the other Roman factions actually conquered that much territory.

usually they dont do jack.

I have a game like that too. It's a VH/VH Scipii game, and almost the entire map is controlled by the three Roman factions. Because I've been expanding slowly, I haven't outpaced the other two factions to the point that the Senate outlaws my faction, so there has been no Roman civil war yet. At this point the only remaining unconquered faction is the Armenians, and they are allied with me. There isn't even a single Rebel-held city. At this point both the Brutii and the Julii have a significant military advantage over me, as I've only maintained 3 field armies during most of the campaign up till now.

However, I do have two advantages:

1) I'm the Scipii, and I've built temples or pantheons of Vulcan in every city. This means I can get troops with the maximum possible gold armour/weapons, while the other two Roman factions are limited to silver. A Scipii Pantheon of Vulcan produces troops with two bronze chevrons for experience in addition to the gold armour/weapons (assuming you have a foundry in that city as well), which makes it the best military religious building in the game.

2) Because I've carefully watched my finances all throughout this campaign, I've built up a massive treasury. It currently sits around 1.2 million denarii (yes, 1.2 million; that's not a typo). As a result, I've started quietly building up armies and fleets in order to prepare for the coming storm. Capua (my lone territory on the Italian boot) is a virtual fortress territory, with multiple encampments and full-stack armies. There are 10 generals in that single territory alone, waiting for the call.

When the war comes, it will be bloody.

[GambleFish]

I have a game like that too. It's a VH/VH Scipii game, and almost the entire map is controlled by the three Roman factions. Because I've been expanding slowly, I haven't outpaced the other two factions to the point that the Senate outlaws my faction, so there has been no Roman civil war yet. At this point the only remaining unconquered faction is the Armenians, and they are allied with me. There isn't even a single Rebel-held city. At this point both the Brutii and the Julii have a significant military advantage over me, as I've only maintained 3 field armies during most of the campaign up till now.

However, I do have two advantages:

1) I'm the Scipii, and I've built temples or pantheons of Vulcan in every city. This means I can get troops with the maximum possible gold armour/weapons, while the other two Roman factions are limited to silver. A Scipii Pantheon of Vulcan produces troops with two bronze chevrons for experience in addition to the gold armour/weapons (assuming you have a foundry in that city as well), which makes it the best military religious building in the game.

2) Because I've carefully watched my finances all throughout this campaign, I've built up a massive treasury. It currently sits around 1.2 million denarii (yes, 1.2 million; that's not a typo). As a result, I've started quietly building up armies and fleets in order to prepare for the coming storm. Capua (my lone territory on the Italian boot) is a virtual fortress territory, with multiple encampments and full-stack armies. There are 10 generals in that single territory alone, waiting for the call.

When the war comes, it will be bloody.

Problem is as the Julii I can't sustain the same economy as I can if I were Brutii or Scipii. I only started to make really effective cash when I attacked Greece. Three provinces raised my treasury by almost 20,000 per turn. Plus my troops have worse armor and training, as I usually have to use small cities without upgrades.


I am playing 1.5 vanilla, but I started out on 1.3 and changed half-way. Don't think that makes a difference tho...

I'm pretty sure I have two saves, I'll edit this post when I upload 'em.

[Sam]

No worries.

[guyyug]

he said he had no mods but patch 1.5

the cival war wont last long, we have a human player

[Gogoas]

Note to admin, maybe you should make an announcement or something, on topic, ya the a.i. gets tons fake bonuses to make them last longer.

Edit: The best cure is prevention, just like stds!

[John I Tzimisces]

Note to admin, maybe you should make an announcement or something, on topic, ya the a.i. gets tons fake bonuses to make them last longer.

Edit: The best cure is prevention, just like stds!

Well, the rules of the forum ARE posted in a publically accesable forum. Just check the Thema Devia or somesuch. OT, anyhow.

He is probably playing vanilla. The AI very often conquers the whole world by, what, 150 BC?

[GambleFish]

Here's what happened to get that result ( yes playing vanilla ) This is from an earlier post

Okay, most people by now know about that annoying problem in 1.3 and BI where the AI didn't know how to use ships. At least, they didn't know how to transport troops with them. I've been playing a Julii campaign now where the Brutii have all of Sicily but no more, and the Brutii expanded by land, going all the way through Illyria to get a late start on Greece. They are rapidly expanding, with at least two full stacks subduing the Greek Cities, and another has already wiped out Macedon. The Scipii used their original sicilian forces to take control of the island, but nothing else has happened.

Basically updated from 1.3 to 1.5 mid campaign and the stored up armies of Scipii and Brutii just steamrolled everything in about 20 turns. Egypt had 15 provinces and were gone in 23 turns...

[italiano]

~20 stacks?? Now THAT is an army. Must be painful to have to fight 3-5 stacks at a time.

[Scar Face]

I had way more with my Parthian empire. It was the middile east and old Scythia. Essentially I had a stack for every city. And then a stack for the reigion. And then my boarder garrison stacks (around 5 on in asia minor, egypt and scythia) then my attack force (only around 2) and about 4 full stacks for rebels. So yea I was one ****in strong Parthia. However when Romans attacked (only me and them) I dicided to leave it was just too many battles. But jesus was that an empire...still my faviroute team to play just because of that. But yea I've never seen the a.i do that before..only me

[GambleFish]

The Brutii and Scipii armies are full of praetorians, urbans, legionaries, and the occassional early legionary. One or two auxilia and a bunch of legionary cavalry, as well as heavy onagers and decent generals. Most if not all of their units are silver or gold armor and weps. Their units almost always have at least two bronze chevs, sometimes silver. I'm usually outclassed and outnumered each battle I fight. When the war first started Scipii had 11 full stacks on Italy itself!

I'm on H/H

[Sam]

Al'Thor, could you please upload that save game? I would LOVE to have a go at it.