Was general survivability increased?

**recentiy03** · January 16, 2011, 08:39 AM

It seems like generals are no longer dying with 30 bodyguards...

**bɑne** · January 16, 2011, 09:08 AM

Is that good or bad?

**recentiy03** · January 16, 2011, 09:40 AM

It's good, it was so annoying when they died first and their bodyguards stood around. If it is intentional then kudos. I've seen the general die last quite a few times...it makes it easier to send them into battle without worrying if their guards will be paying attention. Historically I don't know who died first, I guess it is all situational, depending on whether or not the general is trying to be a hero, but I like it better this way.

**recentiy03** · January 17, 2011, 11:02 AM

While survivability may have been bumped, it seems as though intelligence is still lacking...I'm trying to fight the Turks with a 5,500-man army against against a 1,600-man Turkish army...it should be an easy fight and yet for some reason my king keeps dying...I have to put the king's army under AI control or the second army being led by the prince is not eligible to fight and for some really dumb reason the king keeps riding way out infront of his army to his death...it has happened 4x in a row...I would just forget it and defend the siege, rather than fighting a field battle, but I'm facing a Jihad and there are 2-3 more Muslim armies incoming...so, of course, I'd rather fight an open-field battle with a huge advantage than face a siege against 3-4 armies with a single army. Ugh.

edit - Figures...I decided not to fight and the king died of old age the next turn...the game code obviously had enough of him.

**Lord Minotaur** · January 17, 2011, 11:58 AM

to me its a pain in the %%%, why? because my general dies when fighting against cavalry millitia and the AI general kills at least 3 of mineelite cavalry....

**Polycarpe** · January 17, 2011, 10:37 PM

FM need to be used carefully, I don't waste my GB unless it's weak units or I'm in disadvantage. It's also kinda realistic, FM are no superhumans, give a good blow they die as any men.

**Mega Tortas de Bodemloze** · January 18, 2011, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by Byzantium guard

FM need to be used carefully, I don't waste my GB unless it's weak units or I'm in disadvantage. It's also kinda realistic, FM are no superhumans, give a good blow they die as any men.

Indeed... I always have a wingman unit {kingsbodygaurd +1} charge in first, delaying the king/general's charge just long enough so that it too will carry a charge to the target unit.

The cover unit absorbs a lot of damage that would otherwise either kill or severely damage my king/general otherwise.

**Liandro** · January 21, 2011, 05:47 PM

A.I. Generals seem to be like Tony Montana at the end of ScarFace, their whole bodyguard will be laid out dead and that one general will go on hacking and whacking with abandon another 25-40 Pikemen, yes pikemen, and possibly 40-60 spearmen of any kind, of course my General tries a similar thing and gets whacked running over some archers and didn't have any damage at all before the charge started, nevermind trying to fight off pikemen or spearmen, it's not really challenging as it is just absurd and stupid looking.

**kenja** · January 21, 2011, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by Liandro

A.I. Generals seem to be like Tony Montana at the end of ScarFace, their whole bodyguard will be laid out dead and that one general will go on hacking and whacking with abandon another 25-40 Pikemen, yes pikemen, and possibly 40-60 spearmen of any kind, of course my General tries a similar thing and gets whacked running over some archers and didn't have any damage at all before the charge started, nevermind trying to fight off pikemen or spearmen, it's not really challenging as it is just absurd and stupid looking.

I loled.
Same thing used to happen to me until my I put my general to guard my artillery waaaay behind my main line

Thats how I roll

**riknap** · January 21, 2011, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by Liandro

A.I. Generals seem to be like Tony Montana at the end of ScarFace, their whole bodyguard will be laid out dead and that one general will go on hacking and whacking with abandon another 25-40 Pikemen, yes pikemen, and possibly 40-60 spearmen of any kind, of course my General tries a similar thing and gets whacked running over some archers and didn't have any damage at all before the charge started, nevermind trying to fight off pikemen or spearmen, it's not really challenging as it is just absurd and stupid looking.

I once lost a force of 450 spearmen and 60 knights, killed to last man, defeating a king's bodyguard holed up in a fort (well, they kinda had 1 mercenary frankish knight unit...). That is even without them charging, since they were stuck in a fort melee.

**Point Blank** · January 21, 2011, 08:01 PM

I recommend that bodyguards are reduced to base size 8.

**SirRobin** · January 21, 2011, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by Point Blank

I recommend that bodyguards are reduced to base size 8.

Agreed. That would make me consider actually recruiting heavy cavalry - instead of just using my general and his free, magically regenerating troll body guards.

**thespaniard** · January 21, 2011, 10:35 PM

yeah lower bodyguard to 8 or make them less powerful there is no way that 3 of my full units of zweihanders for the the templars should lose to 1 unit of egyption bodyguard