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    Bush Has Crossed the Rubicon

    Paul Craig Roberts | January 16 2006

    "Dictatorships seldom appear full-fledged but emerge piecemeal. When Julius Caesar crossed the Rubicon with one Roman legion he broke the tradition that protected the civilian government from victorious generals and launched the transformation of the Roman Republic into the Roman Empire. Fearing that Caesar would become a king, the Senate assassinated him. From the civil wars that followed, Caesar’s grandnephew, Octavian, emerged as the first Roman emperor, Caesar Augustus.

    Two thousand years later in Germany, Adolf Hitler’s rise to dictator from his appointment as chancellor was rapid. Hitler used the Reichstag fire to create an atmosphere of crisis. Both the judicial and legislative branches of government collapsed, and Hitler’s decrees became law. The Decree for the Protection of People and State (Feb. 28, 1933) suspended guarantees of personal liberty and permitted arrest and incarceration without trial. The Enabling Act (March 23, 1933) transferred legislative power to Hitler, permitting him to decree laws, laws moreover that "may deviate from the Constitution."

    The dictatorship of the Roman emperors was not based on an ideology. The Nazis had an ideology of sorts, but Hitler’s dictatorship was largely personal and agenda-based. The dictatorship that emerged from the Bolshevik Revolution was based in ideology. Lenin declared that the Communist Party’s dictatorship over the Russian people rests "directly on force, not limited by anything, not restricted by any laws, nor any absolute rules." Stalin’s dictatorship over the Communist Party was based on coercion alone, unrestrained by any limitations or inhibitions.

    In this first decade of the 21st century the United States regards itself as a land of democracy and civil liberty but, in fact, is an incipient dictatorship. Ideology plays only a limited role in the emerging dictatorship. The demise of American democracy is largely the result of historical developments.

    Lincoln was the first American tyrant. Lincoln justified his tyranny in the name of preserving the Union. His extra-legal, extra-constitutional methods were tolerated in order to suppress Northern opposition to Lincoln’s war against the Southern secession.

    The first major lasting assault on the US Constitution’s separation of powers, which is the basis for our political system, came with the response of the Roosevelt administration to the crisis of the Great Depression. The New Deal resulted in Congress delegating its legislative powers to the executive branch. Today when Congress passes a statute it is little more than an authorization for an executive agency to make the law by writing the regulations that implement it.

    Prior to the New Deal, legislation was tightly written to minimize any executive branch interpretation. Only in this way can law be accountable to the people. If the executive branch that enforces the law also writes the law, "all legislative powers" are no longer vested in elected representatives in Congress. The Constitution is violated, and the separation of powers is breached.

    The principle that power delegated to Congress by the people cannot be delegated by Congress to the executive branch is the mainstay of our political system. Until President Roosevelt overturned this principle by threatening to pack the Supreme Court, the executive branch had no role in interpreting the law. As Justice John Marshall Harlan wrote: "That congress cannot delegate legislative power to the president is a principle universally recognized as vital to the integrity and maintenance of the system of government ordained by the Constitution."

    Despite seven decades of an imperial presidency that has risen from the New Deal’s breach of the separation of powers, Republican attorneys, who constitute the membership of the quarter-century-old Federalist Society, the candidate group for Republican nominees to federal judgeships, write tracts about the Imperial Congress and the Imperial Judiciary that are briefs for concentrating more power in the executive. Federalist Society members pretend that Congress and the Judiciary have stolen all the power and run away with it.

    The Republican interest in strengthening executive power has its origin in frustration from the constraints placed on Republican administrations by Democratic congresses. The thrust to enlarge the President’s powers predates the Bush administration but is being furthered to a dangerous extent during Bush’s second term. The confirmation of Bush’s nominee, Samuel Alito, a member of the Federalist Society, to the Supreme Court will provide five votes in favor of enlarged presidential powers.

    President Bush has used "signing statements" hundreds of times to vitiate the meaning of statutes passed by Congress. In effect, Bush is vetoing the bills he signs into law by asserting unilateral authority as commander-in-chief to bypass or set aside the laws he signs. For example, Bush has asserted that he has the power to ignore the McCain amendment against torture, to ignore the law that requires a warrant to spy on Americans, to ignore the prohibition against indefinite detention without charges or trial, and to ignore the Geneva Conventions to which the US is signatory.

    In effect, Bush is asserting the powers that accrued to Hitler in 1933. His Federalist Society apologists and Department of Justice appointees claim that President Bush has the same power to interpret the Constitution as the Supreme Court. An Alito Court is likely to agree with this false claim.

    This is the great issue that is before the country. But it is pushed into the background by political battles over abortion and homosexual rights. Many people fighting to strengthen the executive think they are fighting against legitimizing sodomy and murder in the womb. They are unaware that the real issue is that America is on the verge of elevating its president above the law.

    Bush Justice Department official and Berkeley law professor John Yoo argues that no law can restrict the president in his role as commander-in-chief. Thus, once the president is at war – even a vague open-ended "war on terror" – Bush’s Justice Department says the president is free to undertake any action in pursuit of war, including the torture of children and indefinite detention of American citizens.

    The commander-in-chief role is probably sufficiently elastic to expand to any crisis, whether real or fabricated. Thus has the US arrived at the verge of dictatorship.

    This development has little to do with Bush, who is unlikely to be aware that the Constitution is experiencing its final rending on his watch. America’s descent into dictatorship is the result of historical developments and of old political battles dating back to President Nixon being driven from office by a Democratic Congress.

    There is today no constitutional party. Both political parties, most constitutional lawyers, and the bar associations are willing to set aside the Constitution whenever it interferes with their agendas. Americans have forgotten the prerequisites for freedom, and those pursuing power have forgotten what it means when it falls into other hands. Americans are very close to losing their constitutional system and civil liberties. It is paradoxical that American democracy is the likely casualty of a "war on terror" that is being justified in the name of the expansion of democracy. "

    - http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/...ed_rubicon.htm
    - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Craig_Roberts

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    Bush Justice Department official and Berkeley law professor John Yoo argues that no law can restrict the president in his role as commander-in-chief. Thus, once the president is at war – even a vague open-ended "war on terror" – Bush’s Justice Department says the president is free to undertake any action in pursuit of war, including the torture of children and indefinite detention of American citizens.
    http://rwor.org/downloads/file_info/...on_torture.mp3 this clip is taken from a debate between john yoo, and a professor from notre dame. you can find the memo online

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    Last edited by mike^_^; January 18, 2006 at 12:55 PM.

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    It's not a dictatorship if the dictatorship can be ended at any time by impeachment (or election). The people who claim that Bush is starting a huge religious dictatorship are simply frenzied left-wingers who can't stand a president they disagree with sitting in the Oval Office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justinian
    It's not a dictatorship if the dictatorship can be ended at any time by impeachment (or election). The people who claim that Bush is starting a huge religious dictatorship are simply frenzied left-wingers who can't stand a president they disagree with sitting in the Oval Office.
    It's not a dictatorship if the dictatorship can be ended at any time by impeachment (or election).
    HELLO! do you understand what this sweeping new "commander-in-chief" precedent is setting, especially in this atmosphere of "perpetual war" and false "terror" ? congress hasnt declared war. bush is just a slave like any other politician , he's there for people to exter their anger out on, rather than try and get wise and attack the masters.

    The people who claim that Bush is starting a huge religious dictatorship are simply frenzied left-wingers who can't stand a president they disagree with sitting in the Oval Office.
    classic portrayal of the false left-right paradigm hive-mindset

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike^_^
    HELLO! do you understand what this sweeping new "commander-in-cheif" precedent is setting? bush cannot claim war powers. bush is just a slave like any other politician , he's there for people to exter their anger out on, rather than try and get wise and attack the masters.
    Then how is there a dictatorship?

    classic portrayal of the false left-right paradigm hive-mindset
    Who else would claim the evil president (or his lackeys, whatever) wanted to turn American into a dictatorship?

    Did you even look at the site you got that "essay" off of? Unbiased source indeed.

    "Commander and Chief" means nothing. The only people who actually could establish an American dictatorship is the USAR, under the pretense of "protecting the Constitution".

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike^_^
    HELLO! do you understand what this sweeping new "commander-in-chief" precedent is setting, especially in this atmosphere of "perpetual war" and false "terror" ? congress hasnt declared war. bush is just a slave like any other politician , he's there for people to exter their anger out on, rather than try and get wise and attack the masters.
    if the leader of a nation is a "slave" as you put it, how can it be a dictatorship?
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    You do not understand this country very well, do you?
    The president, if found to have acted against the law, will be impeached or reprimanded. Also, the US is a long way from being NAZI germany. And with those examples of the romans, those leaders were in control of armies themselves who followed what the country told them.
    If Bush went and told our armies to attack our own people, we would kill him.

    Finally with the left wing right wing crap, I seriously doubt you are republican, you are either an anarchist little hippie freak, or a stauch liberal. I know this because the two sides have very different views so don't say these articles as facts, because the truth is that you are just an angry liberal who will believe anything (like this liberal propaganda) to demonize bush.
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    I Believe what the poster is saying

    bush is just a slave like any other politician , he's there for people to exter their anger out on, rather than try and get wise and attack the masters.
    Does bush write his own speeches?
    Does bush appear to be a competent president?

    What you must ask, is who is pulling the strings.
    Multi-Million dollar elections, have people funding them, you think those people who fund election campaigns,
    do it for no reason?
    Capitalism is America, and money rules it.
    If that makes it a dictatorship...well, i don't know.
    But bush is far to weak to stand up to his masters.
    So at the moment the country is being ruled by the will of the Corporation, rather than the people.
    Thankfully theres only a few more years of bush left...
    Its who comes after him, that will decide what happens next.

    If America does become a dictatorship, it wont happen with bush.
    He's merely laid down groundwork and precedent.
    Should a strong smart and highly popular president, decide to "expand" and use the work Bush has laid down
    Then we would be looking at something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfootedfred
    Does bush write his own speeches?
    Alot of presidents and politicans dont...thats why they hire speech writers but your point is?

    Does bush appear to be a competent president?
    Basically a matter of opinion and generally how 'good' a president was is something that is determined years after they left office so you can judge the events before and after he left in perspective.^mike^ must be trying to sell a new video set or something at infowars.com, thats my conspiracy theory that he is some how involved in the site and hence makes money off it.

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    I'll say this again - the only plausible way a dictatorship could possibly happen in the US, is if the armed forces decided to depose the president and establish martial law . . . which they can.

    Oath of the US armed forces:
    I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic
    So if in the unlikely event that the US Army wanted to take control, they could start shooting civilians who "threatened the Constitution of the United States", depose the President, etc. The Army is also the reason why no President can be a dictator. So no matter what, the Army has something to do with any possible dictatorship in the US.

    This is the only guy who could become dictator:



    And that would require a war.

    In a war time with an equal, the people and the President might feel sufficiently threatened to allow the protectors (US Army) to rule. But a president or a corporation being dictator, that is impossible.

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    Should a strong smart and highly popular president, decide to "expand" and use the work Bush has laid down
    Then we would be looking at something else.
    So are you speaking then of FDR or Linclon? These are the ones who layed down the foundation your speaking of. More government equals less freedom. When will we all realise this?
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    [off-topic] An idea about the Political Mudpit sprung to my mind: how about dividing it into two subcategories: America, and the rest. Mlol.
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    Well I dont think the president and the federal government is solely to blame...its also our society and who we've become as people and Americans. In New York, you have 24/7 cameras on the streets, big brother watching whats happening....whose fault is that, the presidents? No thats local government...so you see, its even in the best interest of state government to keep a close eye on us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush Limbaugh
    So are you speaking then of FDR or Linclon? These are the ones who layed down the foundation your speaking of.
    My post was not saying that america IS a dictorship.
    But it could be, IF, a very determined man came to power, intent on making it so...
    All the groundwork is there, Bush expanded on some old ideas, and made some new ones, (patriot act, the act that passed overnight...)
    but i dont think hes interested in dicatorship.

    But if someone were could they?
    I think so.

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    ill go ahead and take the bait

    Quote Originally Posted by Irishman
    Finally with the left wing right wing crap, I seriously doubt you are republican, you are either an anarchist little hippie freak, or a stauch liberal. I know this because the two sides have very different views so don't say these articles as facts, because the truth is that you are just an angry liberal who will believe anything (like this liberal propaganda) to demonize bush.
    as to the "liberal" propoganda, you can think whatever you like, however paul craig roberts was the assistant secretary of treasury under reagan.

    and as to calling me a liberal, well that's actually quite offensive, as the only thing I despise more than the Bush brownshirts are the "liberals". you're forgetting that Bush is not conservative, but I know, Bill O'reilly supports Bush, and you think he's a conservative too.

    In truth, I supported president Bush, I even wanted to vote for him(17 at the time). then I found out he actually belongs to a few organizations and "secret" clubs, that openly engage in satanic ritual. but that's christian, isn't it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Irishman
    The president, if found to have acted against the law, will be impeached or reprimanded.
    not when the Senate is completely controlled, and most of the house too. not when both of the "mainstream" parties are controlled and working towards the same goal.

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    you can call it a dictatorship if bush refuses to lay down his powers of office at the end of this, his last term. until then, at most, you've got a totalitarian president, or executive branch. its not much of a dictatorship if the dictator lets himself get voted out of office...


    as to who's pulling the strings behind a president. likely candidates usually are, wife, Chief of Staff, secretary of State or Defence, National Security Advisor or some other close friend who enjoys a "special advisor to the president" status

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    the US is not a dictatorship, in the next elections the democrates will win and rule 8 years (winning their next elections too) and then republicans again for 8 years etc.... Also without the loyalty of the army, no man can be dictator and i don't think he commands that much Loyalty in the army

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    The U.S. is an Oligarchy...and as such, its effectiveness as a democratic republic is weakened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabaku_no_gaara
    the US is not a dictatorship, in the next elections the democrates will win and rule 8 years (winning their next elections too) and then republicans again for 8 years etc....
    Well, we won't know until 2008, but I predict another Republican victory. But that is for another thread.

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    A lot of things may seem to be dictator like, but I would have to agree with most about it not being a dicatorship, yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turtle
    A lot of things may seem to be dictator like, but I would have to agree with most about it not being a dicatorship, yet.
    it's a slippery slope, friend. nows the time where the citizen body should really get wise, and start being vigilant. we are the final check to protect our god given freedoms. every year they pass thousands of new laws, many with language slipped in that abridges our rights

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