Tiro
Too much foreign troops!
Playing as Lithuania and my new barracks will give me Tatar lancers and some kind of Steppe Pechengs - seriously? This is also evident with Novgorod, Poland and Kievan Rus...really ruins the fun since I want my armies to be ethnic with only mercs being foreign. How come whenever I start game I get half units stationed in cities to be of some Asian or Turkic descent?
Praeses
Re: Too much foreign troops!
Because there was a heavy mix of many different ethnicity in the area at that time. Also many of those eastern men served in the armies of western rulers when their clan/families lost wars or etc so its not very appropriate to have them only as mercenaries. Unless they changed it alot those type of units are still minority when looking at whole roster. Also some of those areas have locals which the further east you go all the locals become eastern. Western descent didn't really expand farther east or south east and colonize until much later than the time period in game.
SS Forum Moderator
Re: Too much foreign troops!
Historically Tartars were used in Lithuanian armies. And Pechenegs and other steppe peoples were used in the armies of medieval Rus.
Tiro
Re: Too much foreign troops!
Originally Posted by Caesar Clivus
No doubt there were segments of Eastern Turkic and Asian troops in Lithuanian as well as Russian armies but this was not to the extent presented in this mod, especially since the two frontiers (Novgorod and Cuman Khanates) did not officially merge prior to the Siege of Kazan in 1552. Plus I just think it's foolish for my top-of-the-line barracks, located in my glorious capital, be centered on solely producing Tatar units.
Tiro
Re: Too much foreign troops!
If I had turned off the Real Recruitment mod during installation phase would this fix this problem for me? I doubt it but who knows...
Vicarius
Re: Too much foreign troops!
Is that possible?
Primicerius
Re: Too much foreign troops!
This is what you get with it off. Also peasants and guns I didn't list.
Lithuanian Cavalry
Ducal Cavalry
Lithuanian Regular Cavalry
Baltic Spearmen
Lithuanian Axemen
Halberd Militia
Almughavars
Steppe Alans
Samogitian Axemen
Late Lithuanian Spearman
Ruthenian Archers
Lithuanian Archers
Latvian Crossbowmen
Dievas Guard
Followers of Perkunas
Giltines Chosen
Miles
Re: Too much foreign troops!
Oh, man. You should know who actually won 'Battle of lake Peipus'!
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Do not mess with true experts!
SS Forum Moderator
Re: Too much foreign troops!
Well I wouldn't put too much stock in that. There is every chance that those horse archers were Russian. Take note of #4Oh, man. You should know who actually won 'Battle of lake Peipus'!
Do not mess with true experts!
Last edited by Caesar Clivus; January 15, 2011 at 08:28 AM.
Tiro
Re: Too much foreign troops!
Oh, man. You should know who actually won 'Battle of lake Peipus'!
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Do not mess with true experts!
Oh, man! You should consider learning more history!
"...... «Низовые полки» состояли из княжеских дружин, дружин бояр, а также городских полков.... в него входила дружина приглашённого в Новгород князя (то есть Александра Невского), дружина епископа («владыки»), гарнизон Новгорода, служивший за жалованье (гриди) и подчинённый посаднику, кончанские полки, ополчение посадов и дружины «повольников», частных военных организаций бояр и богатых купцов."
".....«Русские имели много стрелков, которые мужественно вышли вперёд и первыми приняли натиск перед дружиной князя».
Видимо, лучники не нанесли серьёзных потерь. Обстреляв немцев, они не имели другого выхода, кроме как отойти на фланги большого полка..."
Archers on the right flank of Nevskii's armies were a blend of Izhorians, Pskovians, Novogorod garrison and contractors, which were serviced by Batu Khan. You seem to like to Ctrl + B certain aspects of history without reading further on. Regardless one flank cannot be attributed to solely winning an entire massacre, despite what one picture on image-shack says.
http://rhistory.ucoz.ru/publ/ledovoe...ere/17-1-0-132
http://www.pobeda.ru/content/view/5573/19/
http://www.islamnews.ru/news-6405.html (Some lessons on the Battle of Lake Peipus)
Last edited by Sirota; January 15, 2011 at 08:58 AM.
Re: Too much foreign troops!
I don't think Lithuanians should be represented in the game as steppe warriors, seeing that Lithuania is in fact not a steppe country, but rather a country of hills, lakes and woodland.
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SS Forum Moderator
Re: Too much foreign troops!
They're not. But historically they made use of Tartar mercenaries in their armies.
Re: Too much foreign troops!
So perhaps the steppe horse should not be recruited at Lithuanian castles, but rather hired as mercenaries in that region?
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Primicerius
Re: Too much foreign troops!
Yeah, 'disable RR' when you run setup. It only works in 6.4. If you're still playing 6.3, click the link in my sig.
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