Troll defense value

[Wyrmnax]

So, im somewhat new to the mod.

Anyway, i found myself surprised to find out during the game that most of Troll's defense is based on skill. They have generally very little armor.

This leaves me puzzled somewhat. Shouldnt it make them quite vulnerable to arrows? Or to being charged from the sides/behind?

[mattgoby]

Shouldnt it make them quite vulnerable to arrows? Or to being charged from the sides/behind?

urm i know there not vunerable to arrows...

but the charges from the back and side stop them being tanks killing thousand sof men.

[brapollo]

The size of the area that counts as a "hit" for trolls from missles, despite their large appearance, seems to be that of a normal sized soldier. So it is quite difficult to bring them down with arrows.

[Isack Citees]

The size of the area that counts as a "hit" for trolls from missles, despite their large appearance, seems to be that of a normal sized soldier. So it is quite difficult to bring them down with arrows.

Does any one know how to increase this?
Trolls are about 3x bigger than a normal soldier, so maybe a hit area of two times a regular soldier will make arrows a little more effective while not allowing them to be slaughtered by elves?

[Túrin_Turambar]

Does any one know how to increase this?
Trolls are about 3x bigger than a normal soldier, so maybe a hit area of two times a regular soldier will make arrows a little more effective while not allowing them to be slaughtered by elves?

a remember a time, where 600 elven sentinels + general shot all their arrows at 12 trolls. three survived and killed all bodyguards and the general.

[Isack Citees]

a remember a time, where 600 elven sentinels + general shot all their arrows at 12 trolls. three survived and killed all bodyguards and the general.

I see your point...
Make the hit size three time larger...

[Vice]

Ive fought Mordor countless times and when im in a battle that has a huge steep mountain or hill I can easily take down 12 trolls with ranger archer militia and gondor archers...So if you dont have superior terrain or what not I would not bother with arrows...

[2Scribble]

Balista and Catapults can usually knock out their higher numbers before they reach your line - the few that remain CAN be taken out - or forced to retreat - relatively easily but only by Melee units... many of which WILL fall, I promise you

[Slater456]

Balista and Catapults can usually knock out their higher numbers before they reach your line - the few that remain CAN be taken out - or forced to retreat - relatively easily but only by Melee units... many of which WILL fall, I promise you

for accuracy balista, to get down small but powerfull numbers like trolls etc.

for destruction of massive armys i opt for catapults.


I just love to play with balistas and catapults, in all my armys i have 3 balistas and 2 catapults, after 3-4 battles they all have gold chevrons, making their accuracy over the top ...

[Hejdun]

Balista and Catapults can usually knock out their higher numbers before they reach your line - the few that remain CAN be taken out - or forced to retreat - relatively easily but only by Melee units... many of which WILL fall, I promise you

How do you get them to hit? I've tested this in custom battles, and ballistae even at near point blank range will only kill 1 troll per unit after expending all of their ammo. Catapults have even worse accuracy.

[jinjo]

they are vulnerable vs balistas and/or catapults
backdoor is effective also

[Shocked]

Trolls are resistant to arrows because of all of the hit points they have, not just the armour

[Twist of Cain]

Trolls are not too hard to kill, in fact. If you have trouble dealing with overpoweredly tough units, try playing as the bad guys near the elves or dwarves for a while, and you'll learn. Otherwise, there's a whole guide dedicated to killing trolls.

[Shocked]

Elves are easy to kill if you have Nazgul

[Twist of Cain]

X is always easy to kill if you have Y, no matter what X is...

[jeicri]

well 1 simple prob , ulo hai , mordor troll kill 4 speman unit , why do troll get in tower or inside a wall that way wear . and the can kill anythig wans there ,
as playing with the elves i shoot the so manny times the all ammo went down and the charge to mi army like mad , the were yealing for spartan we mean mordor , they seen to be my pain in the neck . so how can i make then weaker , or kill the ...

[Double A]

Kill them with balistae, elite AP melee units, or uphill flanking via cavalry.

[Rulin]

type Elf Archer3
dictionary Elf_Archer3 ; Eldar Archers
category infantry
class missile
voice_type Heavy
banner faction main_missile
banner holy crusade
soldier elf_archer_noldor, 48, 0, 1.2
officer highel_captain_early_flag
mount_effect elephant +3
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, extreme_range, very_hardy, can_withdraw, free_upkeep_unit, start_not_skirmishing
move_speed_mod 1.1
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stat_health 1, 3
stat_pri 12, 2, elven_arrow, 210, 35, missile, missile_mechanical, piercing, none, 0, 1
stat_pri_attr no
stat_sec 11, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, piercing, sword, 0, 1
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 9, 6, 0, metal
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 5
stat_ground 1, 0, 2, -1
stat_mental 13, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 15
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 3, 840, 330, 100, 100, 840, 2, 250
armour_ug_levels 3, 4
armour_ug_models Elf_Archer_Noldor, Elf_Archer_Noldor_upg
ownership egypt
era 0 egypt
era 1 egypt
era 2 egypt
recruit_priority_offset 10

I think the line "mount_effect elephant +3" means that Archers have Bonuses against trolls. If that makes them effective is another question...

[The Holy Pilgrim]

I think the line "mount_effect elephant +3" means that Archers have Bonuses against trolls. If that makes them effective is another question...

Trolls aren't classified as "elephants." They are classified as "infantry."

[Erunion Telcontar]

Archers are effective against lesser trolls, Mountain trolls, cave trolls and the like. Just have 4-5 units of elite archers target them and they'll be heavily weakened. After that, have a nice 2-hander finish off the trolls, and it'll all be good!
Olog-Hai, on the other hand, with their high armour stats....