Factions you can destroy within 5 turns

**Rupsie** · January 14, 2011, 01:49 AM

Hello people, now that i had installed 6.4 and tried my first Khwarez late campaign (VH/VH), in witch i was able to destory the mongols on turn 2 i was wondering.
Witch factions are you able to rush to their death within 5 turns. For i was able to do so with

Destroy Scotland with England (6.2 late campaign)
Destroy Crusader States with Fatimid Caliphate (6.2 late campaign)
Destroy Norway with Denmark (6.2 late campaign)
Destroy Argon with Sicily (6.2 late campaign)
Destroy Portugal with the Moors (6.2 late campaign)
Destroy Teutonic Order as Poland (6.2 late campaign)

**Makrell** · January 14, 2011, 01:53 AM

Denmark wiht norway also, i have never tried it though but i know some people have

**Ichon** · January 14, 2011, 02:06 AM

Genoa or Sicily take the other out(much easier with Sicily but Genoa can do it with some luck). HRE also can take out Genoa and France almost can under 5 turns but needs 6 turn to reach Pisa and might not be able to siege assault until turn 7 when I tried it. HRE can take Venice easily. Lithuania can be killed by Poland, Kiev, probably Novgorod(haven't done it with them). HRE can do Denmark easily. Kiev vs Novgorod maybe as well though haven't tried it.

Usually the limiting factor is distance more than anything. If Cumans started nearer the west they could probably take out 2 factions under 5 turns. Also a bit of luck... like Kiev vs Lithuania- if Lithuania captures Hrodna before turn 5 then its hard but if takes Mensk or stays with only Vilnius not so hard.

**Marcvs Antonivs** · January 14, 2011, 02:55 AM

Factions I can destroy under 5 turns:

- Whichever faction I choose to play with.

**Spoon** · January 14, 2011, 03:00 AM

Destroy fatamids with CS(6.3)

**Chyeaaaa111** · January 14, 2011, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by Jamesphillip

Factions I can destroy under 5 turns:

- Whichever faction I choose to play with.

So you lose every campaign in 5 turns?

**Æsir** · January 14, 2011, 03:22 AM

Lithuania by Teutons

**RexLegend** · January 14, 2011, 09:12 AM

Scotland by English in early campaign.

**Conchubhair** · January 14, 2011, 09:26 AM

England with Scotland
Castile with Aragon
and withing 5 turns after start pritty much anybody i want game is just to easy to Blistgrieg(sorry about spelling)

**Polycarpe** · January 14, 2011, 09:53 AM

Venice with Roman Empire
England with Scotland
Scotland with England
Crusader States with Egyptian
Egyptian with Crusader States.

**Kael BloodMoon** · January 14, 2011, 10:20 AM

Scotland with England
Portugal with Leon and vice versa
Portugal/Leon/Aragon with Moors

**chris7ian** · January 14, 2011, 12:27 PM

HRE - Venice, Papal States - take Rome and make them horde, Sicily (hail marry and leaving key settlements unmanned), Genoa, Denmark, Scotland (assuming their are naval mercs available). I assume this is the first 5 turns and not any 5 turns. If any five turns per faction, all of the above are doable, one right after another.

**Bruce the Silver-Tongued** · January 14, 2011, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by chris7ian

HRE - take Rome and make them horde.

So what do you do after your patricide? Transplant him somewhere in the Middle East? Oftentimes I'll end up leaving him in Italy, long after I have taken all the surrounding settlements (even when I play as the Byzantine Empire). He is more trouble than his city is worth.

**Bruce the Silver-Tongued** · January 14, 2011, 01:20 PM

Defeat Turks with Byzantine Empire... something like 5 turns. Maybe 7, haha. Used SS 6.2, I think. May not be possible now, with different starting locations for the royal family. (Eliminated them by extinguishing their royal line).

**philipjd** · January 14, 2011, 01:25 PM

Can't say that I try to achieve that as it is a touch unfair to the AI,having said that, these are what I aim for asap:-

Venice by the Byzantines (and Hungary or Turks, depending on how diplomacy goes)
Scotland by the English (and vice versa)
Poland by Lithuania
Denmark/Norway
CS by Egypt
Genoa by Venice (and vice versa)
Castille(Leon)/Aragon and vice versa
Portugal by Moors
Denmark by HRE
Venice by HRE
Genoa by HRE

**chris7ian** · January 14, 2011, 01:32 PM

If I decide to take Rome I then get a ceasefire and convince him to reconcile me and then I can ally with the new pope because I killed the moron who thought he was superior to the Kaiser. Then I leave them in my territory with no land. They should eventually get a gifted settlement from someone but not me.

**Bruce the Silver-Tongued** · January 14, 2011, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by chris7ian

If I decide to take Rome I then get a ceasefire and convince him to reconcile me and then I can ally with the new pope because I killed the moron who thought he was superior to the Kaiser. Then I leave them in my territory with no land. They should eventually get a gifted settlement from someone but not me.

It might be a little unsporting, but I have dropped the Papa in the middle of the Middle East at least twice, just for fun. A little move_character here, a little add_money there, and I finish it off by giving him a neat little fort with process_cq and add_population.

When I am for realism, I tend to drop him off in Corsica. Then the Papal States really are an island among the nations of the Earth. He gets really docile though, so I do start to miss him.

Sorry if this is starting to be a little off-topic...

**Conchubhair** · January 14, 2011, 07:09 PM

hmm i assassinate him untill thier is a pope who is secretly woman cracks me up everytime
also
England as Denmark(deepend on what england does with thier armies, sits in thier settlements or go out warmongering)
Scotland as Denmark(to easy...)
Norway as you guessed it
if Genoe goes rebel in Crimera easy as Aragon
i never like playing big empires at the start so that is it i'm afraid