Even calvary coming from behind the phalanx gets owned so hammer and anvil is out
Primicerius
How do you counter the Greek factions
Even calvary coming from behind the phalanx gets owned so hammer and anvil is out
Primicerius
Re: How do you counter the Greek factions
How so? If you mean only the Greek city-states, your best bet is to take a few greek cav squads, and the rest on archers and armoured hoplites. Maybe one spartan hoplite as general and some militia hoplites in the back.
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Protector Domesticus
Re: How do you counter the Greek factions
WEll Greek Facs include.
GCS. I count this as a minor faction. Basically every faction can beat them..
Mace. I like these guys. But Rome beats them and Carthgae is my fav in this matchup since its balanced
Sele. A good faction. I like scythia and parthia against this. Also Pontus because its balanced
Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer
Re: How do you counter the Greek factions
a good tactic is to charge your cav into the front and move your inf around behind.
Protector Domesticus
Re: How do you counter the Greek factions
Either talk sensibly or dont talk at all.
@Maiar; He wanted advice to play against the greek facs not as them
Senator
Re: How do you counter the Greek factions
True cav will always suffer casualties even if they attack a phalanx from behind (only slight casualties), but what cav are you using if they get "owned"?
Last edited by {GrailKnight}; January 14, 2011 at 07:43 AM.
Senator
Re: How do you counter the Greek factions
Make sure you win the skirmish fight then use the remaining force to weaken the phalanx by shooting at its flanks or rear with flaming arrows. Then do the basic hammer and anvil tactic. They should easily break after that.
Semisalis
Re: How do you counter the Greek factions
Greek factions can all be beaten with Rome or Carthage, as those are the two factions that have Infantry that severely outclasses all greek infantry besides spartans. I'd recommend Rome vs Greece and Macedon, as they have long range archers and you don't need phalanxes to combat cataphracts. Another solution is to use other greek factions against them, so if they go for Seleucid, try Pontus. Also, when hitting the back of spearmen, zoom in to make sure he isn't turning them around into your charging cavalry, and if he is, redirect them until you get a good charge, then cycle out and repeat. Also try hitting multiple points in their rear line, as they won't have time to turn around all of their spearmen in time. And if you need to go for broke, use Egypt.
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Ducenarius
Re: How do you counter the Greek factions
in campaign if you're stuck with premarian armies that generally get killed by everything out there, one method of beating phalanxes is to use your trarii to hold them in place, as their strong forward push ability will help break up the phalanx and they have decent defense and morale to take the beating, and use your hastati and pricipes to flank the phalanxes.
Re: How do you counter the Greek factions
ROME
pila is a great thinner in greek recipes
you can rush urbs through weak gaps and turn to attack flanks with inf
you can even leave a couple urbs in testudo infront of pike line to stymie them all the while trying to gain a turning of their flank with inf
if you get a good enough grip of the phalanx a concentrated cav charge in rear of pikes is immensely devastating--- pikes tend to have lower morale than urbs and just a little pressure can manifest into a "gaulish" entire army rout
if you're fighting spartans-- try to be aware of their hitpoints-- if you engage fresh unused sparts you may need to whittle them down for a bit before the final blow
Primicerius
Re: How do you counter the Greek factions
well the Carthegian strategy worked, I used like 6 units of Sacred Band and used gold armor and weapons, two sacred band calvaries, slingers, and elephants. I used the calvary to divert his attention and just owned his units with my sacred band and crashed the elephants from behind them.
Semisalis
Re: How do you counter the Greek factions
With Carthage against Greece, 6 gg sacred band infantry is advisable, but in a 15k cwb match you should bring a couple light cav along with your sacred band cav, and get some balearic slingers. I would also try bringing a couple poeni, as they usually have more than 6 infantry. Against Macedon, take guard mode off of your sacred band spearmen, and they'll eat Royal pikes alive. The cav fight is usually a little in you favor, but watch out for their archers. The closer your slingers are, the better. And elephants are not advisable.
Yours truly,
|Sith|5|Eldarion
Protector Domesticus
Re: How do you counter the Greek factions
I advise to play CWB rules, as it prohibitslike elephants and artillery.
Ducenarius
Re: How do you counter the Greek factions
greece really doesnt have any counter against Carthage, except maybe in the missile department. they have no answer to SB cav, and armoured hoplties get beaten 1 on 1 by SB hoplties. their only hope lies in the spartans, which are grossly expensive
Biarchus
Re: How do you counter the Greek factions
you can win if you're good and you're opponent is... well.... notbut in general, yea, carthage wins
Senator
Re: How do you counter the Greek factions
Is this even a serious post?
You have not listed what you regard as the "Greek factions".
You have written "Even calvary coming from behind the phalanx gets owned".
You think in terms of "hammer and anvil". (lol)
No replay.
No circumstance or description of a battle.
No other information provided, not even the basic settings of the game.
Smilies...the resort of those with a vacuous argument
Semisalis
Re: How do you counter the Greek factions
I suspect he means that the greek/hellenic phalanxes turn around and shank his cavalry, then turn around and continue slaughtering his infantry. If not, then yeah, something's off.
Yours truly,
|Sith|5|Eldarion
Primicerius
Re: How do you counter the Greek factions
I'm serious though, I was Macedon and he was Thrace. He had mostly phalanxes and no calvary so my plan was to hold his men in place and use the calvary to strike from behind. I do it and my calvary get murdered and I was like wtf. I also rage quited
Semisalis
Re: How do you counter the Greek factions
don't leave your cav in melee, cyclo charge.
Yours truly,
|Sith|5|Eldarion
Senator
Re: How do you counter the Greek factions
Why would you rage quit? That is unfair and disrespectful to your opponent.
Last edited by {GrailKnight}; January 15, 2011 at 03:19 AM.
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