Can't edit archer damage, any help?

[Conchubhair]

hey, I've always had an issue with the weakness of archers so always edit thier damage by 2 points in ever mod or vanilla i've ever played, ussually works fine but not save game compatible.

so the issue is after editing export_descr_unit when i go to start SS game crashes on boot up.
does anyone have any idea what the problem is here? Thank you.

[Polycarpe]

I think you move or change something else, normally it shouldn't crashes. Here what you need to change:

What's in blue is what you change:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

type Longbowmen
dictionary Longbowmen ; Longbowmen, l
category infantry
class missile
voice_type Light
banner faction main_missile
banner holy crusade
soldier Longbowmen, 60, 0, 0.75
officer northern_captain

attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, extreme_range, can_withdraw, foot_archers, stakes, stakes, mercenary_unit, free_upkeep_unit
formation 1.2, 1.2, 1.8, 1.8, 4, square
stat_health 1, 2
stat_pri 5, 1, quality_mass_bodkin_arrow, 190, 30, missile, missile_mechanical, piercing, none, 0, 1
stat_pri_attr area
stat_sec 1, 1, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, blunt, mace, 60, 1
stat_sec_attr ap
stat_pri_armour 0, 4, 2, flesh
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 3
stat_ground 1, -1, 3, 1
stat_mental 11, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 6
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 705, 225, 65, 50, 720, 4, 140
armour_ug_levels 0, 1, 4
armour_ug_models Longbowmen, Longbowmen_ug1, Longbowmen_ug2
ownership all; england, slave
era 1 england
era 2 england
recruit_priority_offset 25

[Caesar Clivus]

If there is an error in the EDU, the system.log.txt file will pick it for you.

[Ishan]

so the issue is after editing export_descr_unit when i go to start SS game crashes on boot up.

Like CC said CTDs due to EDU are logged in the log file, can be found in the main SS folder.
Also at the beginning of the file there is an explanation on values that is which value does what.

[Conchubhair]

Thank you all for your replies/ideas but unfortunitly there is no error report, i backed up before any changes so all is fine that way and right now playing through as Aragon.
just missing how the archers of thrid age would slice through enemy formations (although Crossbowmen were a nice suprise)

[k/t]

Did you play TA with RR/RC?

[DedBludUK]

This is annoying, ive already started a new campaign... not save compatible! Ive always been annoyed at how the archers take out about 5 or so men before they reach you and I agree, it should be like in TA! Its more realistic that they should do more damage, i mean Agincourt!!! Yeh it'd be stupid to put them really high, but you should be able to take out mailed units with bowmen and not just use them to pepper light units. In vanilla there only worth using against other archers! Where's the point?

[PerXX]

i mean Agincourt!!!

At Agincourt there were several hundred arrows fired pr single frenchman killed. (And that includes those that died in melee, drowned in the mud, and the large amount of prisoners that were slaughtered)

[Polycarpe]

At Agincourt there were several hundred arrows fired pr single frenchman killed. (And that includes those that died in melee, drowned in the mud, and the large amount of prisoners that were slaughtered)

Oh no, please do not start another discussion on the longbow.

@DedBludUK and @Conchubhair
I know some people were disappointed by several ranged units (the longbowmen ). So you can improve their offense quite easily:

What's in blue is the ATK value that you could change.
What's in red is for adding the "effective against armor" attribute.
By adding the ap, these longbow will devastate armored units.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

type Longbowmen
dictionary Longbowmen ; Longbowmen, l
category infantry
class missile
voice_type Light
banner faction main_missile
banner holy crusade
soldier Longbowmen, 60, 0, 0.75
officer northern_captain

attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, extreme_range, can_withdraw, foot_archers, stakes, stakes, mercenary_unit, free_upkeep_unit
formation 1.2, 1.2, 1.8, 1.8, 4, square
stat_health 1, 2
stat_pri 5, 1, quality_mass_bodkin_arrow, 190, 30, missile, missile_mechanical, piercing, none, 0, 1
stat_pri_attr area, ap
stat_sec 1, 1, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, blunt, mace, 60, 1
stat_sec_attr ap
stat_pri_armour 0, 4, 2, flesh
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 3
stat_ground 1, -1, 3, 1
stat_mental 11, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 6
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 705, 225, 65, 50, 720, 4, 140
armour_ug_levels 0, 1, 4
armour_ug_models Longbowmen, Longbowmen_ug1, Longbowmen_ug2
ownership all; england, slave
era 1 england
era 2 england
recruit_priority_offset 25

[Bruce the Silver-Tongued]

Oh no, please do not start another discussion on the longbow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGvSspr-4ls

Check out the distance they get with these bows.
Shooting straight.
Towards the ground even.
At least 100 yards.

Can I change my archers so they shoot their arrows straight like bullets? In fact, I want to make a sub mod where I can shoot at an enemy general while he drives a Cadillac now.

[DedBludUK]

I really dont want to turn this into a chat about longbows etc. But my point was, in stating Agincourt, was that yes there were hundreds of arrows fired for each frenchman but i was pointing out that the arrows penetrated plated armour! I feel its a bit unrealistic that its rare for a plated(maybe even mailed) unit to have to be hit 5 or 6 times for them to die! Yeh, the longbow...its powerful blah blah blah. I just meant all bows in general.
Recruiting archers is only worth while if the enemy stands still or is runnign away so you can hit them in the back. At later on, its only owrth recruiting amazing ones (longbowmen, french archers) to have any chance of doing any real harm to enemy nnumbers.

Anyway, has any1 managed to make the unit alterations and have it save compatible?

[newt]

I just edited my pavise spearmen's damage and it was save compatible.

[Conchubhair]

k/t - no i'd didn't play ta with real recruitment real combat
but have done with the submod dac

newt - that is intresting ever mod i've ever used wouldn't load saved games after changing values

[newt]

delete

[Conchubhair]

lmao btw i am aware of ever possible way to edit the values of units thats wasn't the original problem but i'm going to upgrade to 6.4 and see if thats the answer to my troubles


was ussing 6.3... and if that doesn't work i'll pray to budallah the best diety ever
and thank you filefront for your quike download 200mbs done in the time i wrote this i am impressed

[Polycarpe]

lmao btw i am aware of ever possible way to edit the values of units thats wasn't the original problem but i'm going to upgrade to 6.4 and see if thats the answer to my troubles


was ussing 6.3... and if that doesn't work i'll pray to budallah the best diety ever
and thank you filefront for your quike download 200mbs done in the time i wrote this i am impressed

SS 6.4 has the same RC stats of SS 6.3. 6.4 is an update that make less CTD, several adjustments and small new tweaks

[Conchubhair]

6.4 downloaded test works fine___
Edit test lithuania archer +3 to damage
Test battle works fine____
Save Game Compatiblity___Error
but yes Budallah answered my prays
now i'm going to convert the world to budislam the best religion ever

6.4 just prostpones the crash untill i've entered a campaign....Still Convert To Budislam or you wont get any prestents from Santa Claus

this is turning into a block of writting just replaced edited file with back-up and went to continue my Aragon Save then boom would load... so scratch that clean installasion on its way

[k/t]

"Its more realistic that they should do more damage"

More realistic than REAL Combat? I'd like to see that.

[Conchubhair]

Can I change my archers so they shoot their arrows straight like bullets? In fact, I want to make a sub mod where I can shoot at an enemy general while he drives a Cadillac now.

would encourage your archers to shoot into the ranks of the men infront of them...

More realistic than REAL Combat? I'd like to see that.

Somehow i think the Noblilty of the French would like to see that to...

[Paladin94610]

Arrows in fact are much much more devastating in real life but are quite expensive to supply with and foot archers usually are equipped with only a dozen arrows. In the game they have much more arrows (say 30 arrows) and these are refilled in the next battle without further expenses and so making individual arrows less effective seems to balance out cheap game arrows.