Rapture 2011

[Tom Crooze]

http://www.ebiblefellowship.com/may21/
Hooray! This is like the what, 20th time they've "predicted" it?

[Mr. Scott]

Well at least I'll be celebrate my birthday right before the world ends

[Scipio Africanus Maximus]

Darn. Why couldn't it wait just 2 more days so I could have my birthday.

But seriously, what part of "No man knows the day nor the hour, not even the Son" don't people understand. If Jesus didn't know, then what makes them think they do.

[CamilleBonparte]

Jesus, it sounds like they're booking a wrestling pay-per-view. In fact there used to be one called Judgment Day.

[MathiasOfAthens]

They seemed to base this on some sort of logic.

[Pontifex Maximus]

At least the people who drink the kool-aid stop being annoying seconds after they imbibe it.

[Squiggle]

I believe in the relative immanency of the end, but I dont understand this fascination with predicting how close it is, let alone to the date. Sure we will have some warning signs, but he shall come like a thief in the night. Fundamentally this is just not something you can predict with any degree of accuracy [and why would you want to?].

[Ciabhán]

Last thief in the night I had any personal experience with I was trying to deal with the sucking chest wound and an arterial bleed that the home owner's .45 caused. If the Harbinger is planning on surprising people in bed he might want to get himself a few flashbangs and learn some tactical entry techniques...

As to relative immanency, considering the fact that we know good ole Sol is gonna go nova on us sometime in the future and the planet will be annihilated when it happens, I'm not sure why anyone is bothering to worry about it. We'll more than likely have killed ourselves off long before any apocalyptic event. If not we've got a few million more generations before the relatively short time we have is up...

Jesus was an apocalyptic preacher and more than likely thought the end was coming within the lifetime of his followers or at least within a few generations of his prophecies.

Since we've lasted quite some time longer than that, without supernatural annihilation, relatively soon could be rather an unfathomable length of time. Especially if we consider the true end to come when the UNIVERSE dies 100's of trillions of trillions of trillions of years from now rather than the 10s of billions of years before our sun goes and heat death occurs.

[Monarchist]

As to relative immanency, considering the fact that we know good ole Sol is gonna go nova on us sometime in the future and the planet will be annihilated when it happens, I'm not sure why anyone is bothering to worry about it. We'll more than likely have killed ourselves off long before any apocalyptic event. If not we've got a few million more generations before the relatively short time we have is up...

Jesus was an apocalyptic preacher and more than likely thought the end was coming within the lifetime of his followers or at least within a few generations of his prophecies.

Since we've lasted quite some time longer than that, without supernatural annihilation, relatively soon could be rather an unfathomable length of time. Especially if we consider the true end to come when the UNIVERSE dies 100's of trillions of trillions of trillions of years from now rather than the 10s of billions of years before our sun goes and heat death occurs.

Friend, it seems quite silly to deny Christ based on our knowledge of heat death, or our guess about the Great Dark Age to come, where even black holes fizzle out of existence. Why could that last gasp of the Sun not be the Apocalypse? Can that final destruction we bring upon ourselves not be the day preceding the Judgment? Christ never intimated the exact precursors of the Apocalypse in technical language.

For all we know, the day all the nuclear bombs are released and everyone is brawling in the streets of cities with blood-red skies (due to the fallout and fires) will be the day time stops and Heaven is joined to Earth. Jesus may just come in Glory when we annihilate civilisation by our arrogance. Whatever happens, the final moment is in the Father's hands, not our own. Stupid websites like that linked to in the O.P. are just wishful thinking. That sort of illogical rubbish and wish-fulfillment has nothing to do with Christianity.

Jesus Christ took on humanity and united it to His Divinity; He was a MAN, not an effeminate hand-wringer.

[(s)AINT]

Friend, it seems quite silly to deny Christ based on our knowledge of heat death, or our guess about the Great Dark Age to come, where even black holes fizzle out of existence. Why could that last gasp of the Sun not be the Apocalypse? Can that final destruction we bring upon ourselves not be the day preceding the Judgment? Christ never intimated the exact precursors of the Apocalypse in technical language.

For all we know, the day all the nuclear bombs are released and everyone is brawling in the streets of cities with blood-red skies (due to the fallout and fires) will be the day time stops and Heaven is joined to Earth. Jesus may just come in Glory when we annihilate civilisation by our arrogance. Whatever happens, the final moment is in the Father's hands, not our own. Stupid websites like that linked to in the O.P. are just wishful thinking. That sort of illogical rubbish and wish-fulfillment has nothing to do with Christianity.

Jesus Christ took on humanity and united it to His Divinity; He was a MAN, not an effeminate hand-wringer.

You obviously know nothing about him then....

He was either a crazy man, a sick man, or he thought the world was coming to and end...

But the central teaching of Jesus was take no thought for tomorrow.. just follow me.. forget your family, your belongings - everything.. Totally immoral.

[Monarchist]

You obviously know nothing about him then....

He was either a crazy man, a sick man, or he thought the world was coming to and end...

But the central teaching of Jesus was take no thought for tomorrow.. just follow me.. forget your family, your belongings - everything.. Totally immoral.

Where does insanity enter into the phrase: "I give you a new commandment: love one another, as I have loved you"? How can you call someone 'sick' who praises those who struggle and condemns those who live in careless luxury? He did not think the world was coming to an end; indeed, He will bring about the end in the Father.

The central teaching of Jesus is to trust in Almighty God. Everything else is secondary to faith. Have you read the Gospels?

[CamilleBonparte]

You obviously know nothing about him then....

He was either a crazy man, a sick man, or he thought the world was coming to and end...

Well your definition of knowledge is what you've read on atheist forums, so I think in this case not "knowing" about him is a good thing.

[Gromovnik]

You obviously know nothing about him then....

He was either a crazy man, a sick man, or he thought the world was coming to and end...

But the central teaching of Jesus was take no thought for tomorrow.. just follow me.. forget your family, your belongings - everything.. Totally immoral.

you must be the world's greatest theologian...

[Vezon]

You obviously know nothing about him then....

He was either a crazy man, a sick man, or he thought the world was coming to and end...

But the central teaching of Jesus was take no thought for tomorrow.. just follow me.. forget your family, your belongings - everything.. Totally immoral.

He wasn't saying that you shouldn't love your family, or don't plan for the future, or that you shouldn't have anything. He was saying that you should love and obey God first. He said He was God. And don't say He was just a egomaniac. If He was just arrogant, why would He decide to reamain poor? He didn't have a house, he didn't have furniture, He didn't have much money. And He ended up being beaten and crucified for it. Don't you think that if He wasn't God, he would just refute every thing he had said? And where do you get your morals from? Western morals came from the Bible, the word of God.

[Captain Jack]

Thousands of people try to "foresee" Judgement day and none of them were right. So what makes this so special?

[SigniferOne]

All of these predictions of immanency are retarded beyond belief. And I mean, truly fantastically stupid. Not the idea of immanency, just these people's idea of immanency. Let's all agree there, and just put this Godforsaken thread to rest.

[boofhead]

It's strange how they can study and detail Bible verses so closely, and yet completely ignore the following:

1 Thess 5:2 ''for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.''

From Matthew

42“Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

50The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of.

From Acts

He said to them: "It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority.

*I mean, how hard is that for some Christians to understand?

Nobody will know when, nobody can successfully predict the time. Give it up already!

[Invictus XII]

It's strange how they can study and detail Bible verses so closely, and yet completely ignore the following:



From Matthew





From Acts



*I mean, how hard is that for some Christians to understand?

Nobody will know when, nobody can successfully predict the time. Give it up already!

Exactly, I was just going to make this point, as a Catholic, this is utter rubbish. Christianity cannot be interpreted by dates and facts, and worked out by taking bits of scripture literary. For those Christians out there worried, here is a little from there own text that proves it all stupidly wrong.

They Quote is passage means that the seven days is equal to 7000 years, thus how they work out 2011 being dooms day:

2 Peter 3:6-8 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

BUT, it very simply means that time means nothing to God, a day and a thousand years are the same thing to God, because God is not affected by time.

Still not convinced. See how it says that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day that means that if 7 days is 7000 years, it can also be just be 7 days, as its says "and a thousand year as one day"

It obviously shows he is just says God isn't affected by time, days and years are all the same to him.

[basics]

As someone has already rightly said the Lord will come as a thief in the night, a slightly exaggerated figure because few if any will be watching and waiting for Him, why? Because the world as a whole will be under the deception that the man of sin along with the one world organisation is Him already here.

Now that has to happen before the Lord returns. And it has to happen in a way that the Jews of the world are convinced that this fellow is their Messias for that is of most importance in the sequence that will run up to the second advent of the Lord Jesus Christ. There cannot be a one-world system without the Jews, nor can there be a man of sin in my opinion unless he is Jewish.

So, as interesting as the link is, this now being 2011, we have but some five months for all these things to take place yet still no sign of that man. But, I don't think there is any doubt that in some parts of the world Christianity is going through a torrid time yet on the other hand in other parts it is taking on somewhat of a revival so who knows? After all, God did make all things in just six days.

[Col. Tartleton]

Where are the four horsemen?

I won't be happy until Apollon, Ares, Ploutos, and Hermes come riding in to kill the living out of everyone.